Export to PDF changes colors to a darker shade

I have an annoying problem with both Keynote and Pages: when exporting to PDF, the colors become darker than they appear on screen and on the printer.

I've tried various things to improve the situation, but to no avail:
1. tried using different color profiles for the colors;
2. tried printing to PDF (instead of exporting).

The problem seems to arise from the fact that I have a bitmap image on the page. Before I put the bitmap image on, the export is perfectly fine. Then when I add the bitmap and export again, the colors are wrong.

I've uploaded the Pages files and the PDF exports here:
http://ernstdehaan.com/pages/

Suggestions are highly anticipated!

MacBook Pro (C2D 2.16GHz, 15-inch, 2GB) Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Posted on Feb 15, 2007 4:56 AM

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Feb 16, 2007 2:30 AM in response to SermoDaturCunctis

The bitmap is a PNG file, 128x128, from the Crystal Clear icon set (from everaldo.com). I've uploaded the bitmap here:
http://ernstdehaan.com/pages/package_wordprocessing.png

According to GIMP, the image is 72 dpi, 24-bit RGB.

When I use any other image from the same icon set, then the effect is the exact same.

I'll try converting the image to TIFF or so, to see if that helps. Thanks for this little hint.

Feb 16, 2007 3:36 AM in response to znerd

I've tried converting the bitmap to other formats, but that does not help. I keep getting the same results.

After trying some more in Keynote, I found the problem also pops up when I give some text a (light gray) shadow. Suddenly the colors get darkened again.

I'll do some more investigations. Perhaps I should have a look at the Leopard pre-release. The problem is likely to be generic to the OS, since it also applies to printing as a PDF. It may previously have been identified as an issue and resolved in 10.5...

Feb 17, 2007 11:43 AM in response to SermoDaturCunctis

Thanks a lot. With the export to PDF/X the colors indeed look good. However, embedded PDF documents now suddenly look garbled. Odd.

Looking at the Wikipedia page you linked, it seems like PDF/X is indeed the right thing for me anyway, since I'm preparing stuff for press.

How would export using Adobe Acrobat Professional work? Does that add another option to my print menu or so? If that works the most reliably, then perhaps I should consider purchasing that.

I'm also considering redoing everything in OpenOffice.org/NeoOffice. However, then I lose the nice features and the integrated approach of Pages...

Feb 17, 2007 12:23 PM in response to znerd

Yes, export using Adobe Acrobat is simply another printer in the printer menu.

If you have a lot of spare money, you can certainly buy Adobe Acrobat to experiment with, but it should not be needed. MacOS X's print to PDF/X is reasonably good, and it will hopefully improve even more with MacOS X 10.5, which will come within the next few months. There are even things which work better with MacOS X than with Adobe Acrobat. I once tried asking in the Adobe Acrobat support forums why one would use it instead of MacOS X for print to PDF, and no one had any good reply.

Even if you have some spare money and want to experiment, you probably do not need Adobe Acrobat Pro. Adobe Acrobat Standard handles print to PDF in the same way as the Pro version, as far as I know. (I'm confused there. I have access to AA Standard 8.0 for Windows and AA Pro 7.0 for Mac, and I never know which functionality is in which product.)

If you really want to spend a lot of money, you should probably have a look at Adobe CS2.

Feb 19, 2007 12:06 AM in response to SermoDaturCunctis

Indeed the export to PDF/X is the best option available. It works better than the 'normal' export to PDF within Pages. However, it's still not perfect. When I have a shadow behind my text, then the PDF shows a gray rectangle instead.

Indeed, hopefully 10.5 will improve the PDF(/X) export.

Perhaps I can/should file a bug report at Apple somewhere. The time around the release of Leopard is probably my best bet to have it solved, as Apple developers are then likely to be in the bugfixing-part of their development cycle.

Magnus, which product are you referring to when you say 'Adobe CS2'. Do you mean Illustrator?

Feb 19, 2007 12:21 AM in response to znerd

I'm not at my Mac right now, so I cannot check, but I'm surprised you get the rectangle around the shadow. I thought that was fixed. Someone else may have the shadow story clearer.

Bug reports are made at http://developer.apple.com/bugreporter/ , but it may be enough if you just enter the observation on the Pages feedback page at http://www.apple.com/feedback/pages.html .

You also have the option to play with your own color profiles in ColorSync Utility. It is not straightforward, but it is interesting to see what flexibility MacOS X gives us.

CS2 is Adobe Creative Suite. It includes Illustrator, Indesign, Photoshop and so on. It is much better at following industry standards than Pages, but it is not as easy to use. And it costs more than ten times as much.

PowerBook G4 Mac OS X (10.4)

Feb 21, 2007 8:32 PM in response to SermoDaturCunctis

I opened your PDF file and did a quick pre-flight on it. It is a transparency issue. You are also using different profiles and a different rendering intent on the graphic than in the green boxes. When I removed the transparency from the page, the colours shifted dramatically. As well your graphic is only 136 DPI and using a different ICC profile than the green boxes (which are using Generic RGB profile). To start with, remove the transparancy and flatten the image before combining the two various elements in your layout program. The make sure you tag each external element with the same profile you are using in your layout. When you print to PDF, go into the Advanced menu and make sure your colour management has been turned on. Also, have you set up your Apple CMS using Color Sync Utility yet?

Feb 27, 2007 8:02 AM in response to colin clarke1

I find it irritating that I would have to remove transparency from images before being able to use them in Pages. I'm using lots of icon-style images, and it's uite tedious to edit them all. Unless I use an automated approach, which will cost me time to research and possibly money to buy Photoshop or so.

But I appreciate you researched the issue. I just wish Apple's software would be slightly better than it currently is.

What do you mean by 'go into the Advanced menu'. In which dialog?

Mar 1, 2007 8:04 AM in response to znerd

Distiller is basically the engine that creates PDF files outside the Mac OS environment. In the past it was mainly used to create PDF's from .PS and .eps files. It is much more robust (buzz word #1) than the PDF's created from OS X and gives lots more control and literally hundreds of options. The advanced menu I mentioned earlier can be found in Acrobat Distiller settings when you create a settings file. I'm glad Acrobat 8 is fixing your problems. As far as removing transparancies before hand, I don't think that is necessary, but the sample you provided had a tranmsparent object and it's bounding box surrounding all the RGB green boxes. Perhaps your image had a huge bounding box around the object itself. You can avoid this by cropping your photoshop graphic down to a few points outside the image, this way, transparancies are only affecting images intersecting the graphic itself.

Personally I don't think this was a pages issue, but more an issue with a poor quality and poorly created image. (not your fault)

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