macOS Mojave - Failure w/thumbnail cache same problem with High Sierra

When I previously upgraded to High Sierra there was an issue where the thumbnail images on movie files would not load properly, it was very slow. Many people here had this same issue and fortunately it was quickly resolved by Apples team. Great Job and thanks for the quick fix...


I have just upgraded to macOS Mojave; low and behold I am now faced with the exact same issue as before. I open a movie folder and all of my files show the generic movie icon then eventually, very slowly the art begins to fill in. I must say when I initially heard of this new OS I was hesitant to download it for this very reason, then I thought there's no way this could happen again... I was wrong.


I am using a 4 tb G|Drive connected via USB-C. I also tried with standard USB, no difference. Issue also occurs with files on desktop.


MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Early 2015)

Processor 2.7GHz Intel i5

Memory 8 GB 1867 MHz DDR3

Graphics Intel Iris Graphics 6100 1536 MB


Please work your magic and fix this. 🙂


Thanks

MacBook Pro with Retina display, Other OS, Failure w/thumbnail cache

Posted on Oct 10, 2018 10:42 AM

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Oct 10, 2018 1:02 PM in response to ihateyoursuggestion

A little piece of unrelated advice. Never upgrade from a current version of OS to a newer version until you have fixed any problems that you have had in the older version.


Hopefully, you won't have to go too far with the following before your problem is fixed. However if it isn't fixed then I suggest you take it in and have the service people take a look at it. Make an appointment at the Apple Genius Bar for service. If you need to find an Apple Store - Find a Store - Apple. If you did not purchase it from Apple then you will need to look to the vendor for service or How to find your nearest Apple Authorized Service Provider (AASP) or Distributor (AAD).


A Troubleshooting Procedure that may Fix Problems with macOS El Capitan or Later

You should try each, one at a time, then test to see if the problem is fixed before going on to the next.


Be sure to back up your files before proceeding if possible.


  1. Shutdown the computer, wait 30 seconds, restart the computer.
  2. Disconnect all third-party peripherals.
  3. Resetting your Mac’s PRAM and NVRAM
  4. Reset the System Management Controller (SMC)
  5. Reset your Startup Disk and Sound preferences.
  6. Start the computer in Safe Mode. Test in safe mode to see if the problem persists, then restart normally. Also, see Use safe mode to isolate issues with your Mac - Apple Support and Playing Safe- what does Safe mode do?.
  7. Use the Apple Hardware Test to see if there is any hardware malfunction. How to invoke and interpret the Apple hardware tests - CNET.
  8. Repair the disk by booting from the Recovery HD. Immediately after the chime hold down the Command and R keys until the Utility Menu appears. Choose Disk Utility and click on the Continue button. Select the indented (usually, Macintosh HD) volume entry from the side list. Click on the First Aid button in the toolbar. Wait for the Done button to appear. Quit Disk Utility and return to the Utility Menu. Restart the computer from the Apple Menu.
  9. Repair permissions on the Home folder: Resolve issues caused by changing the permissions of items in your home folder.
  10. Create a New User Account Open Users & Groups preferences. Click on the lock icon and enter your Admin password when prompted. On the left under Current User click on the Add [+] button under Login Options. Setup a new Admin user account. Upon completion log out of your current account then log into the new account. If your problems cease, then consider switching to the new account and transferring your files to it - Transferring files from one User Account to another.
  11. Download and install the OS X El Capitan 10.11.6 Combo Update or 10.12.6 Combo Update or Download macOS High Sierra 10.13.6 Combo Update as needed.
  12. Reinstall OS X by booting from the Recovery HD using the Command and R keys. When the Utility Menu appears select Reinstall OS X then click on the Continue button.
  13. Erase and Install OS X Restart the computer. Immediately after the chime hold down the Command and R keys until the Apple logo appears. When the Utility Menu appears:
  1. Select Disk Utility from the Utility Menu and click on Continue button.
  2. When Disk Utility loads select the drive (out-dented entry) from the Device list.
  3. Click on the Erase icon in Disk Utility's toolbar. A panel will drop down.
  4. Set the Format type to APFS (for SSDs only) or Mac OS Extended (Journaled.)
  5. Click on the Apply button, then wait for the Done button to activate and click on it.
  6. Quit Disk Utility and return to the Utility Menu.
  7. Select Reinstall OS X and click on the Continue button.

14. If none of the above helps then see How to Downgrade macOS High Sierra and macOS Reversion- How to Downgrade from High Sierra.

15. If you get here without success then make an appointment at the Apple Genius Bar for service. If you need to find an Apple Store - Find a Store - Apple.

Nov 28, 2018 3:00 PM in response to RAEYYZ

I have talked to Apple's "support" team on 4 occasions now, the last time being two weeks ago. I was on the phone with with a tech (for two Hours) who walked me through the steps of creating a system report of the time when I open the file so they can analyze what's causing the issue. I was told that they are aware of the issue and are working on it so hopefully there will be a fix in the next update. Hopefully soon...

Dec 25, 2018 7:11 PM in response to ihateyoursuggestion

Hey, appreciate you sticking with this issue enough to get not only an actual response from the support team at Apple, but also what seems like a followup?

Still amazing that this exact same issue plagued both the beta versions of High Sierra (and was reported both here and to Apple) and ended up in the shipping version of High Sierra (and was reported both here and to Apple) and then was actually addressed in an update (which was pretty cool), and now we are going through the exact same cycle in Mojave. I guess the hopeful good news is that Apple did get the message last time. The frustrating thing is they repeated the same problem, and it doesn't give me a lot of confidence for the next MacOS update.

Also, I will be the first to admit this is not a mainstream type bug-only those who use custom icons and external drives experience it. But it is absolutely a debilitating bug in terms of functionality-grinds the Finder to a halt.

Feb 19, 2019 7:19 AM in response to tylertc04

So, went to downgrade lastnight, simply go into recovery mode, go into disk utility and erase the MacintoshHD drive, but, I didn't have a MacintoshHD drive, and wasn't 100% on which to remove and so on, so I went onto the live chat, and finally got it sorted late lastnight, one senior was getting me to erase each internal drive I did have but after doing the first one I accidentally clicked back on my iPhone browser and lost the chat, so I went back on, and the other senior basically got me to go into Terminal first, and create the MacintoshHD and do some other things, and I then had Fusion back with MacintoshHD under it, so everything was sorted that end, so I then went into Reinstall macOS in which it installed Sierra, and then I upgraded to High Sierra, checked my external hard drive with my custom thumbnails and it works perfectly, custom thumbnails show up instantly! i'm a bit gutted due to the fact that I work at night mostly and I loved the dark mode on Mojave :-( it was a lot better for my eyes, but I suppose i'll have to give that up if I want my custom thumbnails on external drives to work as they should!


Only problem I have now, is that on Time Machine, when I drag my files back to the fresh iMac, which were originally on my iMac (not an external drive), they have the custom thumbnails on my folders, BUT they also have an 'icon?' file in each folder that has a custom thumbnail, hundreds and hundreds! and I don't want that, but when deleting that icon? file, it removes the custom thumbnail from that folder :-( so it looks like i'll have to redo all my custom thumbnails on my iMac again!!! the ones on my external drive are fine obviously as they weren't on Time Machine, but yeah, that sucks, and I don't know how I can get rid of those 'icon?' files without it removing the custom thumbnails too :-(


Regarding my movies, I basically download the DVD cover (or poster) for that specific movie, then I use the Image2Icon app, which then enables you to create a icon that looks like an actual DVD case with the cover/poster on it, so basically when I go to my movie folder it'll have images of actual DVD cases with the cover on them instead of the usual file type icon or small player icon, once you create the icon you right click the movie, get info, and drag your icon to the icon part in the get info window, makes it look so much better, and easier to scan through too.

Nov 8, 2018 9:32 AM in response to mlkelstrom

I agree that some solutions are confusing, but more to the point they do not address the problem specified.It's baffling to me how this isn't being addressed.


I still haven't found a solution. So apparently there are only three people who have this issue, or no one else is talking about it. If you have this issue please say so and also contact Apple. If they don't know about it they won't fix it. The more people who say something the better the odds of a solution arising.


As I stated previously; when this happened with the release of High Sierra the problem was addressed by many and the solution came in the form of an update to the OS within a month of it's occurrence. If you are reading this and have not experienced this issue please let us know as well. If this is an isolated issue it would be helpful to know.


Thanks for any and all relevant input 🙂.

Jan 4, 2019 11:49 AM in response to ihateyoursuggestion

I still have the exact same issue as I did in High Sierra, which you've already state, was fixed with an update, and to have the exact same problem again with Mojave is so annoying!!!


I'm trying to sort out my movie files, which i've spent countless hours sorting custom thumbnails for (the actual movie covers) using the Image2Icon app, and I just opened my 'N' folder which has all my movies in beginning with N, and i'd say it's been open now about 5 minutes and it's still very very slowly putting the thumbnails on, there is about 87 files in that folder, and to take this long just to add the thumbnails to the file is pathetic!!! and also then when I click a file and go on 'get info' to add a custom thumbnail to it, I just get the spinning beachball for ages and I can't do much, spending nearly £3000 on a computer, extra hundreds for RAM, and Apple can't even get simple thumbnails to show up! it's driving me nuts.

Feb 13, 2019 10:27 AM in response to UrbanKaos

I'm in the exact same boat guys and it's been a real pain ever since upgrading. It took me ages to even find out exactly what the issue is but now that it's listed here, at least we can relate that you're not the only ones suffering from it :)


There is no workaround it seems at all. The only way I have found to be even able to work is by not opening the folders with the actual files in them but move the whole folders and luckily, I only have 1 movie per folder so drag & dropping the folder directly into an app circumvents the loading of the thumbnails sometimes....totally idiotic and crazy to see that this has already been fixed before and is now back :(


I really hope this will get fixed once again because working like this is impossible...it's actually a problem I would always watch out for every single time before an upgrade if it comes back in a new macOS version..

Feb 15, 2019 6:33 PM in response to shubidoobi

Sorry I haven't replied in a while, I have been off the grid. So now that I'm back and have seen there has been no resolution to our issue I decided to go into Time Machine and use the copy (OS High Sierra) of my system I was using just before I decided to download OS Mojave (glad I did that). Needlesss to say everything works as it did prior to Mojave; flawlessly. So My opinion is that Apple has no intention of fixing this (they've had plenty of time) I think their engineers don't want to make it work with third party apps and I don't care anymore, and I sure as heck won't be downloading any new OS updates. If it ain't broke don't fix it!


Good luck to everyone. . .

Oct 11, 2018 8:43 PM in response to Kappy

Thanks for the reply. To be clear, I previously had this issue with High Sierra when I first downloaded it in November of last year. There were many complaints of the same issue on this forum and action was taken swiftly by the Apple team to resolve it. I downloaded the fix as soon as it was made available and my movie thumbnail artwork have shown as they should ever since... Until I downloaded OS Mojave yesterday. I now am having the exact same issue as before the High Sierra fix so I assume it may be the same or similar issue that caused the problem this time? What ever the fix was I am not sure, I only know that there was an update that solved the problem.


I'm not sure if the suggestions above pertain to this exact problem, and being as it is the only problem I am experiencing with OS Mojave I would rather not risk causing other issues trying solutions not directly related to this issue. I of course have done a restart etc... this does not solve the problem in fact anything I do that clears the memory causes the process to start over i.e. I open a movie file folder I see the generic movie thumbnails, then it begins to load the images very slowly (normally this would happen almost instantly). Also If I try to download a file onto the drive while this is occurring the download is significantly slower (normally takes 30 sec. to a min.- during this process takes 5-8 min.) It seems to be a memory issue but only related to movie icons (thumbnails) whether the files are on the external drive or on my laptop directly it makes no difference besides the fact that there are more to load on the external hard-drive.


One other detail which may be helpful: When I use other media such as my music in iTunes I do not appear to have this issue - the artwork loads properly. Makes no sense to me why this would be the case other than there may be a difference in how the image is stored... total guess, I'm an electrician not a computer guru. 🙂


Thanks again for the reply, I'm sure a solution will present itself eventually. Hopefully it's a simple fix.

Oct 26, 2018 3:30 PM in response to ihateyoursuggestion

This problem has existed before and was also called: Abnormally Slow Folder Opening & Folder Populating. I have been searching the web and still have not found a solution.


Changed the drive to APFS. This did not speed anything up by the way, and it made the drive incompatible with older systems as well as PC so don't do this unless the drive is exclusively for Mac with OS High Sierra or higher. Fortunately I have a backup drive that I did not modify.


Tried clearing cloudkitmedadata + (shm, wal) http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/17/fix-slow-folder-populating-cloudkit-macosx/

Of course, cleared cache, restarted etc...


Anyone else having this problem? I can't imagine I'm the only one.


It's the only issue I am having, but it's a pain and I'd like to get it working properly.


This discussion has other info here: Still no fix for macOS Mojave - Failure w/thumbnail cache?

Oct 31, 2018 5:34 AM in response to ihateyoursuggestion

Same here, had that exact issue with High Sierra when I downloaded it, thumbnails and custom thumbnails not loading, or taking ages to load! also other issues.


Upgraded to Mojave, same issue again now with the thumbnails, as well as I keep getting the loading symbol whenever I try and do anything like move a file, or open a app or load a folder, it took 16 seconds to move a movie file from my downloaded folder to my desktop with that annoying loading symbol and I couldn't do anything else at all while waiting.


I also use external drives for everything, which are only turned on when I actually need whatever it on that drive, and the iMac itself isn't low on space, I have 24GB of RAM, I have the cleaner app so I keep files etc clean.


It's getting really annoying that Apple can't release an OS without millions of people having issues, the amount people spend on their products etc, you'd think Apple would make sure everything works correctly.

Nov 2, 2018 2:10 PM in response to UrbanKaos

I'm sorry to hear you are having the same problem, but grateful for your reply. I was starting to think I was the only one with this issue. I contacted "support" by phone a few days ago, told them the issue and her reply was she had never heard of this occurring. I guess they must have a high turn over rate in the customer service department.


She was very friendly and made several suggestions (same as I have listed above) but her final suggestion was to re-download Mojave. After I got off the phone with her I gave it a shot, and after going through the process I restarted it, plugged in my hard-drive and... No change whatsoever. Complete waste of time, I don't recommend this.


I have looked into "downgrading" back to High Sierra, unfortunately I did not create a bootable drive for this prior to upgrading to Mojave, plus the process is a bit of a pain (https://www.imore.com/how-downgrade-macos) and I'd rather Apple just fixed the bug and put in an update. . .


I agree, Perhaps Apple should get things working before releasing updates. We'll see I guess. This type of thing is making me re-think owning Apple products. Seems like ever since Steve Jobs died the company is less focused on quality and more interested in raising it's stock values .https://www.forbes.com/sites/drewhansen/2018/08/01/triple-stock-buybacks-apple- workers-economy/#64ba6787808e. Perhaps It's time they start thinking about their customers before they loose them altogether.

Dec 3, 2018 10:59 AM in response to tylertc04

A nightmare is right. After I read your post I decided to contact Apple support again to get a progress report. First I opened a chat window where they directed me to a phone call. . . trouble is they couldn't make the call because whoever put my number in the database added an extra digit to my area code, the call wouldn't go trough. Once we got that sorted out I talked to someone who told me they were connecting me to tech support. . . I was on hold for over 30 minutes before I spoke with someone who needed to take a moment to review my case. . . After several minutes of waiting I was then connected with another person who after having me clarify the situation discovered that the system report I created weeks ago had never been sent down the line to the engineers. I was told that a high priority would be attached and they should hear back sometime today. Doubtful. 😟


All caught up, the only hope is someone else with this issue as made more progress and a solution is being hatched.


Good luck to us all.

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