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4,1 to 5,1 Mac Pro doesnt identify properly?

Hi guys,


Last week I bought a SH 2009 4,1 Mac Pro. It apparently has had the power supply & main board replaced - previous owner replaced the power supply (didnt fix an "issue" it had), & Apple replaced the main board (fixed

the "issue" it had).


As per the pics, the machine is 2009 4,1 machine that "may" have been firmware updated?


As per the pic below, there is no serial number or identifier in the overview screen, & the ram

is showing as 1066Mhz:

User uploaded file



In the hardware overview, it shows as a 5,1 machine but still no serial number:

User uploaded file


As you can see below, the machine physically has 4 x 8Gb 1333Mhz ram modules, however despite

showing up as a 5,1 machine in the hardware overview, it only shows as 1066Mhz memory in the

1st overview....

User uploaded file



So my questions are as follows:


1 - Is my machine a 4,1 or 5,1?

2 - If it is a 5,1 why isnt the ram showing as 1333Mhz?

3 - How do I check to see if the firmware update has been applied properly?

4 - Do I need to know the serial number? If so, how do I find out?


Obviously I want this machine to properly identify as a 5,1 with the correct ram speed.


Thanks in advance!

Posted on Oct 31, 2018 2:26 AM

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Posted on Nov 2, 2018 6:51 AM

1. I think that machine was always a 5,1. But there should be a gray sticker near the PCI-e slots (outside) that has its factory specs on it.


I have a Mac Pro 2009 that was firmware updated to a 5,1 with the unsupported hack, and it shows SMC version 1.39f5, an older version.


Also, the 3.2 processor was never shipped in the 4,1 model, and if you went to the trouble of switching the processor, you would MUCH more likely switch to a hexacore.


2. If you ever decide to switch to a hexacore, you can use 1333MHz RAM DIMMs. So it is common among those who contemplate switching up to the hexacore (ever) to buy the faster 1333MHz DIMMs. They are around the same price. I have done this in my 2009 models Mac Pro as well. I always buy the faster DIMMs for my own computers, if they are near the same price and will work (at any speed).


They work fine in this machine in all varieties, but the Processor limits them to being seen as 1066MHz, not their true factory speed.


3. see 4 below first. You could re-apply the firmware update (and since yours is likely legitimate, you should be able to do that with Apple's procedure). But if it is working, I would not disturb it.


4. serial numbered Spare Parts are shipped to the stores and depots with no serial number. Apple has a serial-number re-installer program, and a procedure that is to be used when Installing a service part with no serial number. They do not allow it to non-Authorized repair center (but neither do they sell them non-serial-numberd spares). Your repair was not completed properly, since the replacement serial number was not Installed.


You should return it to the servicer, and ask them to finish the repair, or ask them to authorize a local Apple facility to install the correct new one (you will need a record of the repair for for this to work).


N.B.>> Without a serial number, you may not be able to Install any software updates. Apple cares deeply about Hackintosh (made from non-Apple parts) which it sees as theft of its MacOS.


Apple could have shut down the unauthorized firmware updates whenever they wanted, but they care MUCH more about Hackintosh.

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Nov 2, 2018 6:51 AM in response to DJstylus

1. I think that machine was always a 5,1. But there should be a gray sticker near the PCI-e slots (outside) that has its factory specs on it.


I have a Mac Pro 2009 that was firmware updated to a 5,1 with the unsupported hack, and it shows SMC version 1.39f5, an older version.


Also, the 3.2 processor was never shipped in the 4,1 model, and if you went to the trouble of switching the processor, you would MUCH more likely switch to a hexacore.


2. If you ever decide to switch to a hexacore, you can use 1333MHz RAM DIMMs. So it is common among those who contemplate switching up to the hexacore (ever) to buy the faster 1333MHz DIMMs. They are around the same price. I have done this in my 2009 models Mac Pro as well. I always buy the faster DIMMs for my own computers, if they are near the same price and will work (at any speed).


They work fine in this machine in all varieties, but the Processor limits them to being seen as 1066MHz, not their true factory speed.


3. see 4 below first. You could re-apply the firmware update (and since yours is likely legitimate, you should be able to do that with Apple's procedure). But if it is working, I would not disturb it.


4. serial numbered Spare Parts are shipped to the stores and depots with no serial number. Apple has a serial-number re-installer program, and a procedure that is to be used when Installing a service part with no serial number. They do not allow it to non-Authorized repair center (but neither do they sell them non-serial-numberd spares). Your repair was not completed properly, since the replacement serial number was not Installed.


You should return it to the servicer, and ask them to finish the repair, or ask them to authorize a local Apple facility to install the correct new one (you will need a record of the repair for for this to work).


N.B.>> Without a serial number, you may not be able to Install any software updates. Apple cares deeply about Hackintosh (made from non-Apple parts) which it sees as theft of its MacOS.


Apple could have shut down the unauthorized firmware updates whenever they wanted, but they care MUCH more about Hackintosh.

Nov 2, 2018 6:51 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Hi Grant - thanks for the response!


The machine is definitely a 5,1 Mid 2010 machine. Put the original serial number (grey sticker on the back) into

a online search & got:


User uploaded file


Not sure why I thought it was a 2009 4,1 machine...


Called Apple care yesterday, & to my surprise they were quite helpful, despite me telling them that I had bought the machine S/H the week prior.

They could confirm the main logic board had been replaced at an Apple store beginning of 2014. They couldnt explain however why there was not serial no. attached to the logic board...

The "specialist" I spoke with told me the serial no. was mainly a hardware thing & not really required for software related issues - I essentially should have no problem with software & updates.


Thanks again for you info!

Nov 16, 2018 3:39 AM in response to DJstylus

I had the same problem (no serial no. reported in software) with my MacPro 2009 which I bought second hand, but it was originally a refurb. I can't remember if it was Mountain Lion or the subsequent OS, but I had problems signing into some iCloud services and at the time it was stated that the system serial number was required to validate some log-ins.


As a 60-mile round trip on public transport with a cheesegrater tower wasn't an attractive prospect, a search of the web led me to http://rogersm.net/icloud-problems-mountain-lion-serial-number and I got the utility and carefully followed the instructions. It worked for me, and System Information reports my serial number correctly, and my woes with iCloud log-ins vanished. I must stress this is totally unofficial and completely unsupported.

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