Does deleting old Time Machine backups incriminate other backups?

On my small external drive, I have three Time Machine backups from before i erased my SSD, and three after (which i don't mind losing)
I want to move ONE backup of the old SSD to my new big external drive.


Can I delete the 5 of 6 newest backups without losing ANY data from the old SSD backup, then move the folder?


Moving the folder with 6 backup folders in it makes the size explode during the copying.

The backups.backupdb folder is taking up 240GB on the small drive.

While trying to copy it over to the new and big one, it's reading the file size to 760GB (and its just going up and up while copying).

Analysing the 6 folders ranged from oldest to newest the sizes are:


Pre erase SSD:



Backup 1: 184,25GB

Backup 2: 151,37GB
Backup 3: 151,36GB


Post erase SSD:


Backup 4: 53,37GB

Backup 5: 52,74GB

Backup 6: 52,75GB


So from what I'm guessing, when Time Machine first makes a fresh backup, this is the source backup (judging by the file sizes), therefore my best action for my needs would be to delete (through Time Machine software) the 5 latest backups, and be left with the Backup 1.


But what would happen if I deleted all backups except number 3? This would be the most logical way to go about it, as Time Machine is built to delete old copies first. But it makes me wonder if I will be left with a 151GB backup or a 180+GB one...? To be honest I actually thought my SSD would be backed up as around 230GB alone, but it seems to only be 184GB?


I am very confused. Can anyone help me figure out the best way to go about this?

MacBook Pro with Retina display, macOS Mojave (10.14.1)

Posted on Nov 2, 2018 3:33 PM

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Nov 2, 2018 7:23 PM in response to akselsfo

You cannot delete backups with the Finder.


Each incremental Backup is based on the files stored in the previous Backup. If you do somehow manage to get them into the Trash, the Trash will not empty and they will be stuck there. if you do manage to get them deleted from the Trash, the Integrity of your entire set of backups will be lost.


You can use Time machine .app to request the deletion of ONE backup. Then you have to wait until it straightens out all the links before you request another deletion. The sizes of the backups NOT deleted will expand, because files from the deleted backups will have to be moved into a different backup or be lost.


If all this is based on the premise of copying an old Backup to another drive, that in itself is a Bad Idea®.


You should always make a new Backup directly onto the new destination drive, rather than risk replicating a yet-undetected error onto the new backup set.


Time machine will allow you to add additional drives. Each will be used as a stand-alone backup set, independent of all others. Every other scheduled Backup will be sent to every other drive. You may remove a drive at any time it is not actively backing up, and no damage will be done.

Nov 2, 2018 7:26 PM in response to akselsfo

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if you read a bit more carefully, Time machine deletes some daily and weekly backups along the way. Only when space is short does it delete OLDest backups. And Delete is probably not the right word for this process, because all unique files must be merged into another backup.


if you exclude system files (which are easy to recreate anew by a new Install), size of backup would drop, maybe by the 40-ish GB difference you are seeing.

Nov 2, 2018 7:31 PM in response to akselsfo

Want some nice accessible articles on Time machine?


the late James pond wrote a wonderful set of very accessible illustrated articles, and they have been re-hosted by a forum senior contributor. Be sure to follow any (Next) links you see at the bottom of a page. Although these may seem dated, Time machine is nearly unchanged since these were written.


.Pondini's Apple OSX and Time Machine Tips


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Nov 8, 2018 9:32 AM in response to akselsfo

If you cannot stop yourself from revising your existing backups, I suggest you make a complete, exact copy of them onto the new, larger drive. Then check to be sure they are working on the new, larger drive by making a new incremental backup there.


Use only TimeMachine.app to delete old backups. You are limited to deleting one-at-a-time -- the old files need need to be consolidated before the newer deletions can be processed.

Nov 8, 2018 8:36 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Hello! Thanks for your reply!


Does this mean that I can select the 6TB drive as a 2nd time machine backup drive, and all the old backupfiles from the 2TB backup drive will be downloaded onto the 6TB drive?


In other words the solution to my problem would be:

1 Add 6TB drive as 2nd Time Machine drive

2 Wait until 6TB drive has downloaded backup files from from the other disk

3 Stop using 2TB drive as Time Machine drive

4 All necessary files will remain on 6TB drive?

Nov 8, 2018 9:05 AM in response to akselsfo

and all the old backupfiles from the 2TB backup drive will be downloaded onto the 6TB drive?

No, but sort of.


Copying backups makes no sense when the original files are close at hand, so Time Machine does not copy another backup set.


Instead, it will create a new, stand-alone backup set DIRECTLY from the original files, not from a backup set that (could possibly) have hidden flaws.


Every-other backup session will go to every-other drive for as long as both are present.


The new, stand-alone Backup set on the larger drive will have no files older than the day you start using it. So after a while of running both, you could set the older one aside as an Archive.

Nov 8, 2018 9:12 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Then that wont serve me any good, because I want to clear out the smaller drive and have the backups from my old SSD backed up on the 6TB drive. The 2TB drive will be used purely for MIDI libraries and sheet music that i can bring with me along with the MacBook.


The whole point of this is to get the old backup files from before I erased the MacBook SSD onto the 6TB drive so I can freely use the 2TB drive as a portable drive without risk of losing that old backup.


It seems to me the only solution then is to delete 2/3 of the old backups and copy/paste the remaining backup to the big drive. I then wonder if I should remove the 2 earliest or the 2 latest backups. Its crucial to me not to lose any data except from the changes between the three backups. (These changes are to me non existent, because I didn't even use the computer between the first and the third backup).


The fact that TM backed up 3 times has been a nightmare for me lol.


Can you suggest to me if I should remove backup 1 and 2 or 2 and 3?

Nov 8, 2018 9:42 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Thank you for you reply again.

I have twice attempted to copy the files onto the big drive, but with failure. My MacBook reads way more files from the backup files than there actually are. I will try to break it down:


1 computer backed up: Takes 250G space from HDD

250G backup consists of: 6 backup folders

6 backup folders added separately consists of: 550GB


Copying the backups.backupdb containing the 6 backup folders expects it to copy 250GB, but when reaching 250GB files copied, the expected gb files to be copied rises along with gb files copied. Both times I try this, it rises to more than 550GB, the 2nd time over 750GB until i canceled the backup. I cannot be sure that the copying of the important 3 first folders are securely complete, but I assume they are. Anyway, keeping this backups.backupdb folder on my big harddrive will restrict me from copying whatever backup I will have on my 2TB drive after removing the others because I cannot rename the backups.backupdb folder in my 6TB drive.


I also notice you didn't answer me in which order I should delete backups, from oldest to newest or in the opposite direction. This is the core question of this entire thread. I have searched everywhere to seek the answer to this question without luck.

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