Boosting bass on audio track on FCP 5

I filmed a live rock concert where the main audio feed was taken directly from the mix desk. For a variety of reasons, the feed out was quite toppy and the resulting sound, though well mixed etc, sounds very tinny and not at all a representaion of what it sounded like on the night.

Is there a simple fix with this? I have never really used any of the equalizer effects with FCP. Could someone suggest which one I should use and what the best settings would be, to get some bottom end in?

thanks,
Dame

Power Mac G4 FW800, Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Posted on Apr 24, 2007 9:04 AM

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Apr 28, 2007 8:43 AM in response to Dame Hyndman

Michael gave you your answer in a nice, polite way, but you chose to ignore him and ask for someone to hold your hand. I simply reiterated what Michael stated in a way that maybe would make you sit back and think, "hey, that's true, that makes sense."

But you've still decided you really don't care enough about having your project sound good to spend 3 to 5 minutes messing with the EQ filter.

I hope everything has come out fine on your project. Best of luck.

Apr 28, 2007 6:20 PM in response to Dame Hyndman

Is there a simple fix with this?<<</div>


No. There is no single simple fix for a bad recording. Since you're self-taught and from what you've posted already I'll have to assume that you skipped the part about proper audio monitoring on location.


I have never really used any of the equalizer effects with FCP. Could someone suggest which one I should use and what the best settings would be, to get some bottom end in?<<</div>


Time for more self-teaching -
Lesson 1: No two live recordings are alike and therefore must be adjusted/corrected individually to meet the requirements of each clip.

Lesson 2: Use the EQ controls to raise or lower the various frequencies they represent. Raising the low end to increase bass response may have a similar effect as lowering the high end frequencies ... but they are not the same. You'll need to determine if the "tinny" sound is due to too much high end or not enough low end and then make the adjustments accordingly. Monitoring with good [studio] quality headphones or near-field speakers will help in discerning the difference.


it's just I haven't got a lot of time to play around, so I wanted to know this effect, this setting etc.<<</div>


None of us have a lot of time; we're all just FCP users here. Those that have responded are giving freely of their time in an effort to help you with a problem. I'd recommend that you drop the attitude if you ever expect help here in the future.


An opinion is only of use if it is based on the full facts<<</div>


Seeing how you didn't provide the full facts by offering a sample of the recording for anyone to listen to, you're getting what you asked for: advice based on the question you posted. That's all we have to go by. How could you reasonably expect anything else?


I am grateful for all advice<<</div>


Somehow I'm not seeing it.


however why I want to do things a certain way is my business<<</div>


Of course it is. But you shouldn't realistically expect others not to offer suggestions contrary to your way of doing things.


I do not come to these groups for a critique of why I want to do something or to be shot down in flames for asking for a quick fix<<</div>


No one shot you down in flames or otherwise (until now). Thrillcat offered a practical suggestion based on his (and most other people's) experience. The fact remains that no two live recordings will sound the same, therefore no two live recordings will have the same fix, quick or not. Sorry if you don't like that answer but its true. And as my departed grandfather use to say; "Don't ask the question if you're going to gripe about the answer."

-DH

Apr 28, 2007 7:59 PM in response to Dame Hyndman

I have found that the amount of base enhancement needed really depends on the environment in which you intend to show the work. The sound mixing necessary to show in a theater is really different than for TV. I have used a plug-in from Waves called MaxxBass, which is great, but rather pricey. You can probably accomplish a lot using the equalizer, by augmenting the frequencies below 500. Those below 200 generate a lot of rumble, but be careful and mix for the environment that you plan on showing your work.

Apr 29, 2007 12:28 AM in response to Dame Hyndman

Dame... It's been well over 20 years since I was in an english lesson, so i apologise from the depths of my heart if my grammer offended your righteous sensibilities.

Back to the point...

I still don't understand how you can have numerous years of being a self taught Avid and FCP user, and not understand how to do a basic EQ. Unless:

a. You didn't teach yourself very well.

b. You are a faker.

Apr 29, 2007 1:50 AM in response to James Tuchschmidt

James T,

Cheers mate. I will check out your recommendation. It's been a bit of a learning (sorry teaching) curve as I've never done any live music editing before. I did manage to get the sound sorted out, the list of khz given by Thrillcat was almost spot on, just a few tweeks here and there, but so many critics and so many assumptions. Your reply and a few others were exactly what I was looking for.

Many Thanks.

Apr 29, 2007 8:04 AM in response to Dame Hyndman

If those settings were "almost spot on," it must have been very horribly recorded. That post was a complete overexaggeration to show you what the different frequencies would do to the sound, since you didn't want to take the 3 to 5 minutes it would have taken to test those sliders for yourself.

The settings I posted should have removed just about every trace of high end and boosted the low end so far that everything else would be beyond recognition. If they worked for you, I would imagine your original recording was only audible by those of the canine species.

In the future, don't be rude and disrespectful to people who have given you free advice that is "almost spot on." It will increase the chances you will be helped in the future, which, at this point, are pretty bleak.

Apr 30, 2007 11:57 AM in response to Dame Hyndman

You actually boost and cut by 20dB?! Ouch. In most applications, I don't think you'll be hearing much difference after boosting frequencies more than 10dB or so, and you'll be requiring your playback system to provide a tremendous boost in power, since theoretically, every 3dB of boost requires twice as much amplificatoin power, especially in the low end...so you could either get some distortion or every other frequency will suddenly be robbed of power. Whatever you boosted by 20dB, try taking that down to +6dB and see how much difference you hear. Anything past that, and you'll likely be trying to boost frequencies that just aren't there to begin with (as is usually the case when the raw recording is lacking in any area). Also, depending on the fidelity of your editing sound system, you could be doing things to the sound that you can't quite hear now, but will become evident when played back on a bigger system with a subwoofer and what not. Suddenly there might be a disturbing rumble to everything, and you could also risk damage to amplifiers when the reference is set to things that didn't need boosting.

So as a quick fix for bringing up some more low end in a musical live performance, you could add some boost to things, say lower than 180Hz, but don't just spike it and let it go. Try some lower settings and listen on different systems if you get a chance. Little desktop speakers and most TV speakers won't give you anything under 120Hz or so, so you won't be able to tell if there's anything there or not. Boom boxes usually create a simulation by bloating up the lower-mids, so that's not accurate either.

If you have some time later on, you should move the recording into a studio or recording facility and have the bassist overdub some of the lines if need be, etc. Lots of professional 'Live' releases do this. But anyway, good luck, and be careful how much you boost that low end.

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