I need OS for Macintosh SE

Hi, I have a SE for some years. i'm looking for a floppy with the system on it (English or Dutch)
Or a method to make a floppy on a pc.

the model is M5011.

Some years ago I had the harddisk running, (it was stuck but with some methods i found on the internet it worked for some minutes.)

Thanks, Paul Wolbers, Netherlands

Posted on Aug 10, 2005 8:18 AM

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Aug 28, 2005 3:37 PM in response to P.L. Wolbers

Paul,

I copied the drive setup 1.7.3 file with a pc. then i copied it with Transmac to a floppy (1.44).

Then i copied the file from the floppy to the 8100/80.
then i copied the file on the 8100/80 to a 800K floppy.

As AppleIIFreak has pointed out already, you do not have to use TransMac or a similar utility on the PC. This provided that the PC Exchange control panel is present (and active) in the Control Panels folder (inside the System Folder) on the 8100/80. You can then transfer .bin or .hqx encoded files as they are (do not decode them on the PC) on PC-formatted 1.44 MB diskettes to the 8100/80. Once on the 8100/80 you will need StuffIt Expander for the decoding. Drag each .bin or .hqx file onto the StuffIt Expander icon (do not double-click on the files).

If StuffIt Expander is not available, my usual recommendation is to download the MACDISK.EXE file here onto a PC. Then, prepare an empty PC-formatted 1.44 MB diskette via the FORMAT A: command in DOS or the Full formatting option in Windows. Launch the MACDISK.EXE program on the PC. You may have to temporarily unload any anti-virus application. Follow the instructions on screen. When ready, immediately eject the diskette. The floppy has now, automatically, been converted into a Mac-formatted disk, complete with a StuffIt Expander 4.0.1 installer. Move the floppy to the 8100/80, copy the installer to the hard disk, and install the utility. The StuffIt Expander version 4.0.1 may or may not work with the system software on your 8100/80 (you will have to test it).

I started The SE up with OS 6.0.8 floppy. I put the 800K floppy with the file in the SE and installed the drive setup program.


You cannot initialise the startup disk or the disk (the hard disk) where Drive Setup resides. You can, however, update the driver on that hard disk. If you want to initialise the hard disk, you will have to have Drive Setup on an external hard disk (there will not be room on an 800K startup floppy). It should also be possible to use a (time-consuming) floppy-swapping procedure.

(the OS 7.0 is divided in 3 .hqx files to copy on 800K floppies)


AppleIIFreak also noticed that the British 800K System 7.0 consists of eight files. Transfer the .bin files to the 8100/80. Use StuffIt Expander for the decoding. Then, do not forget that each disk image will have to be transformed into an 800K floppy (DSDD/2DD diskettes, not HD) through Disk Copy 4.2 (the Make A Copy button). Disk Copy creates sector-copied (identical, bit-by-bit) floppies (not the same as drag-and-drop copies via the Finder).

It is quite possible that you are going to need a third-party formatting utility.

Jan

Aug 28, 2005 4:39 PM in response to Jan Hedlund

Also, since Drive Setup 1.7.3 was developed for substantially newer computers, it cannot be ruled out that the program will not work properly under System 7.0, or at all on a Macintosh SE. If so, use another utility. You could possibly make an attempt with Drive Setup when the hard drive in question has been installed in the 8100/80 (or connected as an external drive to the SCSI port of that machine).

But, first of all, make a complete set of the British System 7.0 (800K) floppies. Also create an 800K floppy from the British System 7 Tune-Up disk image. Start the SE from the 7.0 Disk Tools, and make another attempt with Apple HD SC Setup.

Additionally, generally speaking, you can always try a high-level formatting of a hard disk. To do this, start from a floppy (or another disk), select the hard disk icon, and choose Erase Disk from the Special menu.

Jan

Aug 29, 2005 3:04 PM in response to P.L. Wolbers

Paul,

You are welcome.

I should add one thing. It is recommended that Macintosh SE hard drives operate with a 2:1 interleave ratio. If you use Apple HD SC Setup, launched from a startup floppy in the SE, this should be set automatically . If you use a third-party utility, or if you reformat a hard disk for an SE in another Mac, you may have to do this manually (e.g., by pressing the two keys Command=Apple + I while in the Apple HD SC Setup application).

If a formatting utility is unable to recognise a hard drive properly, you may want to try booting from the tools floppy with the four keys Command=Apple + Option=Alt + Shift + Delete=Backspace pressed during the startup sequence.

Good luck!

Jan

Sep 3, 2005 12:48 PM in response to Jan Hedlund

Jan,

My Mac SE works with the HD 1 GB !!!

your suggestion about booting with the four keys, was a winner. Now i could get passed the black sad mac error (000000f, 0000002)

I started up with floppy, then did the patched HD SC setup 7.3.5. the SE saw the harddisk. but during initializing i got an address error and the SE stopped.

then i remembered that error could be the RAM. I replaced the 2 pieces of RAM for the original ones that were in the SE. and then it was fine. i could completely initialize the HD now.

I have 6.0.8 on the HD now. i'm going to try this for a while and then maybe put OS 7 on it.

thanks everybody

Paul

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