Classic slow - Trueblueenvironment?

Eric--

We're not getting much action in this forum. Certainly not from Apple!

For your info-- I did run all the weekly, monthly, etc, maintenance scripts and I'm having no crashes since then. My CPU is still over the top, however, whenever I crank up anything OS 9.2.

And I still have OS 9 apps. that will not open. Script Editor opens instead. Or Applicator. And the apps are still listed as apps. in Info, but treated as documents. Does anyone know how fix the Info so that these apps. open as apps. in OS 9? One OS 9 app. which I already had listed in OS9 Menu Items, will open from the OS 9 Apple Menu, only. Some open fine, like they're meant to. But others (PhotoShop 6) do not open at all. Odd that PhotoShop 4, opens fine.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

--W Williams

I fixed my problem, but it seems my fix doesn't work for all.

Run disk utility on OSX and also OS9 permissions using disk utility.

Open up classic preferences in system preferences and under the advanced tab, rebuild the desktop.

If that doesn't solve the problem, the only other thing I can suggest is to open up classic. Open up the control panel and the extension manager. Switch to the only the base OS9 extensions (or all extensions off) and restart classic from there. If that solves the problem, then start adding back extensions until the culprit is found.

Hope this helps.

W Williams,

Welcome to Apple Discussions.

And I still have OS 9 apps. that will not open. Script Editor opens instead. Or Applicator. And the apps are still listed as apps. in Info, but treated as documents. Does anyone know how fix the Info so that these apps. open as apps.

Take a look at this thread and my post.

Hope this helps.

LilyLC--

Thank you! I've been living on rocks and weeds, here, for weeks! but I followed your post and now have my lost OS9 apps back. Nothing but clover, now.

Well, except that OS9 apps are still horribly slow and the sort of total system melt downs that haven't happened since OS-X are back again, on occasion. Like flashbacks to the old, OS9 trench warfare.

But you solved the immediate problem. Thanks very much.

--winston

Thank goodness there is finally a discussion on this!!

Question: How do I use disk utility in Classic? When I open it, it's in OSX. Do I have to download a new one?

I have a specialized application that isn't made anymore that only runs in 9, and I'm going nuts. Like others, here are my symptoms:
* Apps open in 9.2 but are really jerky, unstable
*True blue or classic environment runs at over 90%
*Tiger runs slowly if classic apps are running in background

Things I've tried and haven't worked...
*rebuilt desktop
*reinstalled, clean
*changed memory alottments for Classic apps
*looked for that DivX thingy, but I don't have it
*run classic w/o extensions (no change)

Solutions? Anyone? Has anyone figured out what the conflicting thing might be other than DivX?

Thanks for continuing to share ideas--maybe together we'll get this figured out!

Okay, I answered my own question about disk utility (it's under the file menu in disk utility--duh!).

I'm still hoping for the magic answer. has anyone called apple?

I know I'm talking to myself at this point, but, I'm really hoping something I say will help us solve this.

While OS9 was not running, I went into my System 9 folder and removed "Classic" "Classic Support" and "Classic Support UI". I started up 9, and it seems that now True Blue is running at about 3-5% ONLY if no OS9 apps are running. Even opening a very small app (368 KB) skyrockets true blue to 95%.
Does this tell anyone anything?
Why are all of the OS9 apps taking up so much juice?

<sigh>> Still waiting for my Prince Einstein to solve this...

No Einstein here. But you're not talking just to yourself. I'm still fighting this stuff... like, a month after installing OS 10.4.1 My HOPE was that some of this would break through the Apple-techie shell and that an available fix would show up for download. I see that there now exists a version 10.4.2, which May be the answer.

But is it? Does anyone know? Because as things are now, my System Preferences seizes-up whenever I attempt to look for Software Upgrades. Can't win. (could I download via FTP?)

I'm about to reload OS 10.2. No telling what kind of mess that'll make!

Any suggestions or cautions are greatly appreciated.

You guys are not alone. I have been a part of this thread from early on, and similarly I am having trouble with my Classic Apps hogging CPU resources. I'm really in the doghouse here because my recent install of Tiger has ruined my wife's ability to run her favorite Mac Classic games. This is not a happy household right now.

I've been doing a little more investigation into the behaviour of the Classic apps and I've discovered that not all of them are affected (as Eric Lawrence reported above). For example, I have no problem running Netscape Communicator 4.77 or Civilization II in Classic (i.e. normal CPU usage observed). But I do have probems with stuff like Real Pool, Hoyle Card Games, Links LS, and Scrabble. Another interesting thing I noted is that for a few applications, the CPU hog problem only occurs when that app's window is active (i.e. selected). I've observed this active window dependency for QuickTax and Graphing Calculator. I figure there must be some clues in that observation alone.

I've tried all the potential fixes that I've read on this thread and other remotely related threads, but to no avail. I'm just not ready to try an erase and install from scratch yet (I just have too much happening on this ol'Mac right now).

Yeah, it's been bad for me. It's better since 10.4.2, but not perfect.

The CPU hogging seems to be application specific. I used to use 2 different classic apps (for the most part). One was the older version of Online Bible, the other was an old bridge game. OLB was more or less fine under classic (still is). Omar Bridge is a CPU hog while it's running. I don't remember if this was the case with Panther and before, but one thing I know isn't the case is that it sometimes "hangs." When it does this there is actually no CPU cycles expended. It seems related to its speech stuff; that's not standard I think (older than that).

What works most for that is to put the machine to sleep (it's a powerbook). When it wakes up, it continues.

Speech is also sometimes not smooth (sound breaks up). I assume this is related to the fine-grained locking changes (as a guess).

I also used to have a kernel panic with no network access, but I "fixed" that by copying out all my Classic prefs (from the Classic System Folder:Preferences), then restarting classic, and putting back only the ones that didn't get recreated when classic started (and resetting by hand whatever else needed to be, which wasn't much). I had a thread on this in the discussions, but it died a few months ago.

I had been following this topic for a while but it doesn't seem like any solutions were found 😟.
My problem is similar, start up a classic app it is smooth for 5 seconds then choppy for the rest of running classic.
I'm on a Mac Mini and from all the topics around the web i have read on this problem i believe for many it is a combined problem with the G4 and these 32mb Radeons.
I can also confirm classic hogs the cpu time at 100% and the virtual memory usage is 1.2gb.
This was the same on panther and tiger.
If anyone has any new developments please tell 🙂

Since I hadn't seen any mention of this I thought I would throw it in.

Norton AntiVirus software has been known to affect Classic even to the point where it will render Classic unuseable. If you have it on your computer or previously had it on your computer, try uninstalling it. Be sure to search for all files associated with it because the installer will not remove everything. Search "Norton", "SystemWork", "NAV", and anything else that could be associated with it.
Restart the computer and repair OSX permissions,OS9 permissions, rebuild Classic desktop, etc. as stated above. This may not help all if any, but it may work for someone.

Classic performance in Tiger has declined for me also. Under 10.3 Panther Total Annihilation ran fine, however after installing Tiger the game is choppy to the point that it is practically unplayable (every 3 seconds it stutters for at least a second). This is disappointing to say the least, especially when I could play the game without fault under 10.3.