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Q ab. Hard Drive upgrade; PATA/SATA, S.M.A.R.T., HDD Controler

I have a few questions about replacement hard drives for my PowerBook G4 12" 1.0 GHz DVI. (I am also going to upgrade the hard drive in my wife's Powerbook G4 15" 1.33 GHz Combodrive, but I think the questions/answers below will apply to both. I'll just deal with my 12" for ease here.)

I have read Apple's specifications and searched all over to find detailed information about ATA ratings and compatibility, and I'm still in the dark about a few things. I'm interested in a 160GB or a 250GB internal drive to replace my 80GB (which did come standard as an optional feature, although this is my second 80GB--I burned the first one before my Applecare expired), and I'm looking at the following drives, for instance:

HITACHI Travelstar 5K160 HTS541616J9AT00 (0A28419) 160GB 5400 RPM 8MB Cache ATA-6 Notebook Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822146200

Western Digital Scorpio WD2500BEVE 250GB 5400 RPM 8MB Cache ATA-6 Notebook Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136159

Questions:

1. HDD Controller limit to internal drive capacity: I've read that older powerbooks (whatever this means, it wasn't specified) may have a 128GB limit, supposedly meaning that the HDD controller will only recognize 128GB on an internal drive. Anyone know if this is true? How do I find out? It isn't published on Apple's spec page for my machine. And, if such a limit does exist for my machine, can I install a 160 GB and get the full 128GB? (b/c a 120GB will only give me 100+ usable after all.) Will the fact that the drive is lager than the total recognizable amount mess up the cataloging, data retrieval, reliability, stability...?

2. ATA-100 vs. ATA-6 vs. ATA-7 vs. PATA vs SATA. My present 80GB TOSHIBA MK8025GAS just says ATA in the System Profiler "Protocol" field for the ATA drive. I presume that the SATA is a later, more recent, non-backwards-compatible format/pin configuration/?. I presume the 100 refers to the 100mb/s data transfer rate, which is what the Apple specifications have for my machine. The drives I am looking at, by and large, are rated at 100mb/s. They all have other specifications, however (ATA-6, ATA-7), and I am hoping to hear that they do NOT refer to pin configuration differences.

-Q- will PATA and SATA drives both fit my machine, or does the "Ultra ATA/100 hard drive" listed in the Apple Specs for my machine mean that the pin configuration/compatibility will only work with PATA drives? Thus, Is Parallel ATA what I have and need?!?! Will a faster SATA drive work in my machine? Would I be able to swap it out into a MacBook Pro when I upgrade next year? (i.e. are SATA drives &/or boards backwards compatible with PATA drives? And are PATA drives &/or boards forward compatible?)

3. S.M.A.R.T. verification capability. I am unclear as to whether this capability is essential and which drives provide it. Some information states that Hitachi Travelstar drives DO support S.M.A.R.T. verification, but such is not listed on their information about the drives. My present 80GB Toshiba DOES have this capability, so System Profiler says. Before my previous drive failed, SMART notification may have saved me (though it's unclear if it actually made any difference--it's just notification, after all, right?), alerting me that the drive was failing and thus giving me enough time to get the last bit of un-backed-up data off the drive before it died altogether. (This is a presumption based on changing S.M.A.R.T. status notifications in System Profiler and from Disk Utility Repair Disk reports). In fact, however, I don't really know what SMART verification is, and thus I don't know how important it is.

-Q- How important is S.M.A.R.T. verification capability? And what is it really?

-Q- which manufactures support it?

Many, many thanks for any insight.

Powerbook G4 12" 1.0 GHz DVI Superdrive, Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on Mar 11, 2008 11:09 PM

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Mar 28, 2008 10:01 AM in response to Jeremy Morse

Cragrat, just to confirm, when booted from your external HDD, you checked in the System Profiler (go to Apple menu > about this mac > more info) to see if the drive showed up under the ATA tab?

+Yes and there was nothing showing+
*Cornelius, it would still show up here even if booted from an external drive, right? I'm not with my external so I can't check now. It should show up as it will be the only ATA HDD connected to the logic board via ATA, though the optical drive will also be listed in the ATA tab.

And you launched Disk Utility when booted from your external HDD or your OSX install DVD to see if your new internal HDD was visible on the left tab as a disk you could repair/repair permissions on?

Correct

You might try the install DVD as well if you haven't already. After choosing English, it'll ask what kind of install you want to do, and before choosing anything, go up to the Utilities menu on the top menu bar and choose Disk Utility.

+Haven't done that+

It does seem that if it doesn't show up in either place it is likely a hardware problem.

Mar 28, 2008 11:26 AM in response to cragrat

cragrat:

Do you remember what the EMI finger looked like? Do you remember replacing it next to the memory card under the memory door? I can't be sure, as I don't have a 12" PB in front of me, but I think you have the EMI finger left over. Go back and remove the battery, the memory door and the long black screw. It should be there. If not, replace it and close. You're not supposed to have any parts left over 😉

Cheers 🙂

cornelius

Mar 28, 2008 11:58 AM in response to cornelius

According to the 12" 1.5 Ghz Apple manual this model does not have a EMI finger....but I could have misread/intepreted it. It is not clear what an EMI finger is in the ifixit notes.
From Apple
+Note: This PowerBook model differs from the previous model in that it does+
+not require a small EMI shield at this screw location.+

Keyboard, Pg 22 - can you give me more info please?

Simon

Mar 28, 2008 12:22 PM in response to cragrat

Simon:
Note: This PowerBook model differs from the previous model in that it does not require a small EMI shield at this screw location.

You are quite right. I did not check the manual at first, just fixit directions.

The question remains, however, what is this small part left over, and does it have anything to do with the fact that the drive is not showing up?

If you are game, reinstall the old HDD and see if it shows up without the small part. If it does it gives us a bit more to go on.

Cheers 🙂

cornelius

Mar 28, 2008 2:42 PM in response to cragrat

Can you hear the drive spin up? If so, try resetting the PRAM.

I had a similar problem when I installed a new drive in my iBook. I could hear it spinning, but it wasn't seen at all. I followed the steps in KB article 58042, and eventually the drive was recognized.

If you don't hear it spin up, then there is some other problem.

Good luck!

Mar 30, 2008 8:26 PM in response to cragrat

Simon:

Thanks for posting back with an update.

The only thing that comes to me as a possible cause of your non-starter, assuming that everything else is in order, is that one user reported that tightening the screws on the memory door resulted in a non starting situation. Loosening the screws a bit allowed the computer to start up. I am not suggesting this will necessarily work in your case, but it is easy enough to check it out.

Cheers 🙂

cornelius

Mar 31, 2008 11:31 AM in response to cragrat

My only issue now is getting it to boot from my new HD.

I used Disk Utility to copy everything back from the copy I had been booting from on the external HD but if I start up again without the external drive connected it doesn't find the new internal one.

I only have the basic Superduper so am unable to "restore all files" with it which is why I used DU to move them (slowly) across. I see it and all the files in it on my PB when booted from the external disk. I have also repaired the permissions on the new one. I do not have my system disks with me.
I am sure I am just missing something simple here like starting it holding down a certain key...

I have tried starting up holding down option key

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