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Q ab. Hard Drive upgrade; PATA/SATA, S.M.A.R.T., HDD Controler

I have a few questions about replacement hard drives for my PowerBook G4 12" 1.0 GHz DVI. (I am also going to upgrade the hard drive in my wife's Powerbook G4 15" 1.33 GHz Combodrive, but I think the questions/answers below will apply to both. I'll just deal with my 12" for ease here.)

I have read Apple's specifications and searched all over to find detailed information about ATA ratings and compatibility, and I'm still in the dark about a few things. I'm interested in a 160GB or a 250GB internal drive to replace my 80GB (which did come standard as an optional feature, although this is my second 80GB--I burned the first one before my Applecare expired), and I'm looking at the following drives, for instance:

HITACHI Travelstar 5K160 HTS541616J9AT00 (0A28419) 160GB 5400 RPM 8MB Cache ATA-6 Notebook Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822146200

Western Digital Scorpio WD2500BEVE 250GB 5400 RPM 8MB Cache ATA-6 Notebook Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136159

Questions:

1. HDD Controller limit to internal drive capacity: I've read that older powerbooks (whatever this means, it wasn't specified) may have a 128GB limit, supposedly meaning that the HDD controller will only recognize 128GB on an internal drive. Anyone know if this is true? How do I find out? It isn't published on Apple's spec page for my machine. And, if such a limit does exist for my machine, can I install a 160 GB and get the full 128GB? (b/c a 120GB will only give me 100+ usable after all.) Will the fact that the drive is lager than the total recognizable amount mess up the cataloging, data retrieval, reliability, stability...?

2. ATA-100 vs. ATA-6 vs. ATA-7 vs. PATA vs SATA. My present 80GB TOSHIBA MK8025GAS just says ATA in the System Profiler "Protocol" field for the ATA drive. I presume that the SATA is a later, more recent, non-backwards-compatible format/pin configuration/?. I presume the 100 refers to the 100mb/s data transfer rate, which is what the Apple specifications have for my machine. The drives I am looking at, by and large, are rated at 100mb/s. They all have other specifications, however (ATA-6, ATA-7), and I am hoping to hear that they do NOT refer to pin configuration differences.

-Q- will PATA and SATA drives both fit my machine, or does the "Ultra ATA/100 hard drive" listed in the Apple Specs for my machine mean that the pin configuration/compatibility will only work with PATA drives? Thus, Is Parallel ATA what I have and need?!?! Will a faster SATA drive work in my machine? Would I be able to swap it out into a MacBook Pro when I upgrade next year? (i.e. are SATA drives &/or boards backwards compatible with PATA drives? And are PATA drives &/or boards forward compatible?)

3. S.M.A.R.T. verification capability. I am unclear as to whether this capability is essential and which drives provide it. Some information states that Hitachi Travelstar drives DO support S.M.A.R.T. verification, but such is not listed on their information about the drives. My present 80GB Toshiba DOES have this capability, so System Profiler says. Before my previous drive failed, SMART notification may have saved me (though it's unclear if it actually made any difference--it's just notification, after all, right?), alerting me that the drive was failing and thus giving me enough time to get the last bit of un-backed-up data off the drive before it died altogether. (This is a presumption based on changing S.M.A.R.T. status notifications in System Profiler and from Disk Utility Repair Disk reports). In fact, however, I don't really know what SMART verification is, and thus I don't know how important it is.

-Q- How important is S.M.A.R.T. verification capability? And what is it really?

-Q- which manufactures support it?

Many, many thanks for any insight.

Powerbook G4 12" 1.0 GHz DVI Superdrive, Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on Mar 11, 2008 11:09 PM

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Mar 31, 2008 7:07 PM in response to cragrat

Simon:

OK, if I understand you correctly, you have the new HDD installed and you are able to see it when you boot from the external HDD.

Before I offer any suggestions I need to understand exactly what you have done.
My understanding is
• that you have the external drive which is bootable and has all the data from your old internal HDD, including the OS.
I used Disk Utility to copy everything back from the copy I had been booting from on the external HD but if I start up again without the external drive connected it doesn't find the new internal one.

• Did you first format and partition the new HDD using directions which you said you have? You must first format the HDD. If you need directions again, please post back.
• Once the new HDD is formatted you should be able to clone the entire volume on the external HDD using SuperDuper. You don't need a registered copy, or system disks to do it.

Please respond to the above and we will see what needs to be done next.

Cheers 🙂

cornelius

Mar 31, 2008 11:38 PM in response to cornelius

Yes I formatted the new HD using Disk Utility

Because I couldn't "restore" using Superduper I used disk utility to transfer everything to my new HD (where it all is) using the "restore" section. Currently I am booting from my old HD in a external case. In system preferences/start up disk the only choice showing is the external (old) disk. The new one shows up in Disk Utility

Apr 1, 2008 7:08 AM in response to cragrat

Simon:
Because I couldn't "restore" using Superduper

I don't understand what you mean, or what you want to restore. SuperDuper makes clones.
Launch SuperDuper
Select external HDD as Source in pulldown menu
Select internal HDD as Destination
Select "using backup all files"
Select Options
During Copy Erase (internal HD you chose as destination) then copy files from (external HD you chose as source).
This will make an exact copy of your external HDD on the internal HDD and make it bootable. The process will take a while depending on how much stuff has to be cloned, so please be patient. Leave overnight so you don't have to sit and watch it.

Let me know how this works for you.

🙂 cornelius

Apr 1, 2008 9:54 AM in response to cornelius

cornelius wrote:
Simon:
Because I couldn't "restore" using Superduper

I guess my assumption was that Superduper made a bootable bakup and since it had a restore files option that was what I needed to do to get the old system back.

As a matter of interest what would happen if I just drag and dropped the working original across to the new HD? ie from the external to internal?

Apr 1, 2008 1:52 PM in response to cragrat

Simon:
As a matter of interest what would happen if I just drag and dropped the working original across to the new HD? ie from the external to internal?

While OSs previous to OS X could be dragged and dropped, you cannot do that with OS X. It will not work.

Look over the directions for cloning in my last post, and post back with questions. That will do the job for you. I use SuperDuper almost daily, and it works great!

😉 cornelius

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