MMS/ Picture Messaging

Does the new iPhone support MMS??? If no, WHY? This is a normal function that all phones being produced in our world of technology have. I have a original iPhone that I purchased almost a year ago. And when the warrenty is up, I'm just thinking about getting a blackberry. Just because the iPhone does not support normal fetures. What are the pros and cons if I do this? Also, if i chose to go with another type of phone, will I still be able to use the iPod part of the iPhone?

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Posted on Jun 9, 2008 5:58 PM

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Jan 27, 2009 5:39 PM in response to Allan Sampson

Allan Sampson wrote:
I'm not defending or justifying Apple's policy - just because I couldn't care less about exchanging MMS does not mean I'm defending or justifying Apple's decision not to include an MMS client. I purchased a device that meets my most important needs and wants. If the iPhone didn't, I would not have purchased one in the first place - end of story. I'm not about to purchase or keep any product that causes me to be so annoyed as you seem to be with the features the iPhone doesn't include.


You are defending their policy, if you didn't care, you wouldn't have made your way into this thread. So, if the iPhone offered 95% of what you wanted, and a lot of things competitors didn't have, you wouldn't have bought it, and hoped for the other 5%, since it is still the best option available in spite of missing features? Just because the iPhone is still the best choice, doesn't mean they should be given a free pass to omit features at their whim.

Allan Sampson wrote:
In your opinion, and if this is what you do with all products, more power to you. A waste of time and effort in my opinion especially when there are many other products to choose from that already include the features you need or want.


Of course it's in my opinion, what an utterly obvious thing to state. Those other products are missing other features that the iPhone has, so the iPhone was still the best overall choice, even if it is missing some features. Basically, the juice was worth the squeeze, but it would certainly be nice to have those features that are included in virtually every other smart phone in existence.

Allan Sampson wrote:
Why are you wasting your time arguing with me if you are not an Apple apologist?
I recall you replying specifically to me in this thread buddy boy, and just because I don't chime in with you and agree with your opinions does not make me an apologist. If I'm an apologist, you can't possibly like the device - not when being so annoyed.


You are an apologist, as your words match the definition perfectly. If you weren't an apologist, you wouldn't have been in this thread in the first place telling people they are idiots for wanting an extremely widespread feature to be included in what is arguably the most advanced phone available.

Allan Sampson wrote:You have received some cruel and >bitter criticism here? You must have some very thin skin, and if you don't want an argument, I suggest not starting one. I saw no question posted by you in this thread about why Apple and AT&T are opposed to supporting certain features. It is obvious you joined this thread mostly to argue based on the snide remarks specifically targeted at others in this thread, and then complain about the amount of vitriol you received.


I'm sorry, but why were you in this thread again if you didn't want an argument?

Jan 27, 2009 5:44 PM in response to ride1992

I really don't see what is wrong with asking and hoping for features that are included in almost every other smart-phone in the world. If I learned anything from my trip to the AT&T store, it is that I cannot even ask about missing features without having someone jump down my throat.

Wanting widespread features included in an otherwise wonderful phone is not unreasonable.

Jan 27, 2009 5:53 PM in response to deggie

Say what now? I never said that the phone didn't have loads of features I like, I only listed the stuff it doesn't have. I don't think it is unreasonable at all to hope that Apple improves their product to at least bring it in-line with other current tech in those areas. In other areas the iPhone is vastly superior, which is why it is so great.

Jan 27, 2009 6:42 PM in response to pahncrd

You are defending their policy, if you didn't care, you wouldn't have made your way into this thread.


I replied earlier in this thread with instructions to the OP for doing the same via email, so I'm subscribed. Whatever you say.

So, if the iPhone offered 95% of what you wanted, and a lot of things competitors didn't have, you wouldn't have bought it, and hoped for the other 5%, since it is still the best option available in spite of missing features?


I wouldn't purchase any product if it doesn't meet my most important needs and wants and hope they will be included one day. If I did anyway, I'm certainly not going to waste my time whining and arguing about it with others at a user to user help forum for technical support issues and questions which won't change or accomplish anything.

Just because the iPhone is still the best choice, doesn't mean they should be given a free pass to omit features at their whim.


I will defend Apple on this one and the same with any company. Apple can include or omit whatever they wish. If someone doesn't like it, they have a choice to not purchase an iPhone, and the same with any product. If someone makes the choice to purchase one anyway, nothing wrong with providing Apple feedback, which is no guarantee that Apple will incorporate what someone considers an important missing feature regardless how many people request the same. You certainly won't accomplish anything providing it here.

You are an apologist, as your words match the definition perfectly. If you weren't an apologist, you wouldn't have been in this thread in the first place telling people they are idiots for wanting an extremely widespread feature to be included in what is arguably the most advanced phone available.


Baloney, and I didn't call anyone an idiot - not yet anyway. I think it isn't a wise choice to purchase a device that doesn't include a feature or features that get someone's undies in such a bind. Righteously annoyed - what a joke. No one can be so annoyed yet like the product.

I'm sorry, but why were you in this thread again if you didn't want an argument?


I'm sorry, but you replied directly to me buddy boy. I was originally in this thread to help a fellow user - you came for no other reason but to argue and whine, followed by labeling others who don't agree with you, and then complain about the amount of vitriol you received.

Jan 27, 2009 6:59 PM in response to Allan Sampson

Don't be daft, obviously other features were more important, such as the app store, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice if Apple supported features supported by almost the entire smart-phone industry.

If Apple is able to purposely omit features, it just means there isn't enough good competition yet, but hopefully there will be soon, and then Apple will likely have to get in-line with people's feature expectations or start to lose market share.

Why is it that I can be displeased with a lack of features and yet not be pleased with other aspects of the device? What an extremely fallacious statement.

Oh, I'm sorry, what would you label yourself then? You are defending a policy that many find issue with, by the very definition of your actions, that makes you an apologist.

Here is what I said to you after your post, in which you were getting annoyed at having to repeat yourself.

"You know what would be better? Input phone number > attach picture > send > done. "

Which is fact, I am not sure why you felt the need to argue about it. It is not snide in the least, and I was just stating something that is completely obvious to me, and that is that it would be simpler to send via MMS. Especially for some carriers that don't support MMS via email.

That is when you got defensive.

Jan 27, 2009 8:28 PM in response to pahncrd

Where did I tell anyone they are an idiot for wanting an MMS client as you claimed, yet you are now calling me daft?

but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice if Apple supported features supported by almost the entire smart-phone industry.


Some of these features may be incorporated/supported at some point, but some may never be supported. Some of these features have been requested by some since the first generation iPhone was released over 18 months ago. Does this mean what has been requested by some will never be supported? Maybe, or maybe not. There are some that I've requested, but nothing that isn't included/supported annoys me greatly for if it did, I would purchase a device that I wasn't so annoyed with - the same with any product.

Oh, I'm sorry, what would you label yourself then? You are defending a policy that many find issue with, by the very definition of your actions, that makes you an apologist.


Why are you using a label? Why is it when other people don't chime in and agree with something, some people immediately start with labeling or name calling the people who don't agree with them?

If you want to call it defending and label me - fine, if it makes you feel better, but I'm stating fact. The iPhone doesn't include an MMS client, and may never include one. If exchanging MMS was something I wanted and used on a regular basis, and not having the option was something that is "annoying" to me, I would purchase a different device regardless whatever features are included that I'm pleased with. My most important needs and wants are not going to change because there are other features that I'm pleased with. By stating that Apple should include an MMS client at a user to user help forum for technical support issues and questions isn't going to change anything. IMO, telling someone that MMS is on the way out, and just wait a few years until all phones include an email client, and you don't need MMS is different from telling someone they should purchase a device that meets their most important needs and wants, and includes a feature or features that is used on a regular basis. Where I come from, this is being practical. For the most part what is whining and ranting here about this hasn't changed anything, and likely won't change anything. Apple has likely received quit a bit of feedback regarding MMS, but regardless how many people have requested the same, Apple usually goes their own way in regards to certain features. Apple usually skates to where they expect the puck to be, not where it has been. To each his/her own, but not much of a chance that I'd remain so annoyed with features or lack thereof with any product.

"You know what would be better? Input phone number > attach picture > send > done. "


IMO, this leans toward being snide and you know it.


If Apple is able to purposely omit features, it just means there isn't enough good competition yet, but hopefully there will be soon, and then Apple will likely have to get in-line with people's feature expectations or start to lose market share.


Apple is not only able, they have purposely omitted features. And if it weren't for the iPhone, do you honestly believe there would be so many touch screen phones in the smart phone category specifically targeted at the consumer/non-business market as we have seen and that are in the works? I think not, but competition is a good thing. And you said exactly what I've been saying - if there is a product that meets a person's feature expectations and the iPhone doesn't, then by all means they should purchase the device that does. There are plenty of other devices available that already do.

Jan 27, 2009 9:06 PM in response to Allan Sampson

Allan Sampson wrote:
Where did I tell anyone they are an idiot for wanting an MMS client as you claimed, yet you are now calling me daft?

but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice if Apple supported features supported by almost the entire smart-phone industry.


Some of these features may be incorporated/supported at some point, but some may never be supported. Some of these features have been requested by some since the first generation iPhone was released over 18 months ago. Does this mean what has been requested by some will never be supported? Maybe, or maybe not. There are some that I've requested, but nothing that isn't included/supported annoys me greatly for if it did, I would purchase a device that I wasn't so annoyed with - the same with any product.

Oh, I'm sorry, what would you label yourself then? You are defending a policy that many find issue with, by the very definition of your actions, that makes you an apologist.


Why are you using a label? Why is it when other people don't chime in and agree with something, some people immediately start with labeling or name calling the people who don't agree with them?

If you want to call it defending and label me - fine, if it makes you feel better, but I'm stating fact. The iPhone doesn't include an MMS client, and may never include one. If exchanging MMS was something I wanted and used on a regular basis, and not having the option was something that is "annoying" to me, I would purchase a different device regardless whatever features are included that I'm pleased with. My most important needs and wants are not going to change because there are other features that I'm pleased with. By stating that Apple should include an MMS client at a user to user help forum for technical support issues and questions isn't going to change anything. IMO, telling someone that MMS is on the way out, and just wait a few years until all phones include an email client, and you don't need MMS is different from telling someone they should purchase a device that meets their most important needs and wants, and includes a feature or features that is used on a regular basis. Where I come from, this is being practical. For the most part what is whining and ranting here about this hasn't changed anything, and likely won't change anything. Apple has likely received quit a bit of feedback regarding MMS, but regardless how many people have requested the same, Apple usually goes their own way in regards to certain features. Apple usually skates to where they expect the puck to be, not where it has been. To each his/her own, but not much of a chance that I'd remain so annoyed with features or lack thereof with any product.

"You know what would be better? Input phone number > attach picture > send > done. "


IMO, this leans toward being snide and you know it.


If Apple is able to purposely omit features, it just means there isn't enough good competition yet, but hopefully there will be soon, and then Apple will likely have to get in-line with people's feature expectations or start to lose market share.


Apple is not only able, they have purposely omitted features. And if it weren't for the iPhone, do you honestly believe there would be so many touch screen phones in the smart phone category specifically targeted at the consumer/non-business market as we have seen and that are in the works? I think not, but competition is a good thing. And you said exactly what I've been saying - if there is a product that meets a person's feature expectations and the iPhone doesn't, then by all means they should purchase the device that does. There are plenty of other devices available that already do.


That must be some tasty kool-aide. Seriously, any snide-ness is all in your head, and you are obviously highly defensive about Apples decisions. If I would have known what an Apple ultra-fan you were, I wouldn't have replied to you with something I thought was completely obvious. I really don't understand what is wrong with criticizing Apples decisions. In any case, I'm done, I've said everything I want to, so I would just be repeating myself if I continued.

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