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Duplicate 'invisible' photos are being created when I download from camera

Hi all,

Recently spotted a weird thing happening when I download images from my Nikon D200. I use Image Capture, but not sure if that's the problem. Hopefully you guys can help.

Basically, when burning a DVD of images for a friend, I noticed that if I dragged over the folder that contained the downloaded images, a new disc was created in Toast, and the disc size matched the size of the folder as seen in the Finder. However, if I created a blank disc and just copied over the folder contents themselves, not the actual folder, the disc size was 1.5GB smaller.

???

So, I fired up TinkerTool and turned on Invisible Files in the Finder, and was shocked to discover that throughout my hard drive, in the folders I download photos into from my camera there are duplicate invisible 'photos' with a period at the start of their name (rendering them invisible) that are the size of a full high res photo each - essentially doubling the size of the folder. If I delete a photo in the Finder, it's invisible counterpart doesn't get deleted with it - so what the heck are they? They're taking up GB upon GB upon GB of space on my drive and I can't even see them unless I use TinkerTool.

iMac 24" 2.4GHz, Mac OS X (10.5.3)

Posted on Jun 11, 2008 4:32 AM

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owen-b Author

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Jun 23, 2008 2:13 AM in response to i.3d

But I'm not a developer, so when I sign up for the free account (as opposed to the ones that cost money!) I'm basically lying when they ask me what kind of developer I am and what kind of apps I develop and what market and platform I develop for.

Because I don't do any of those things.

owen-b Author

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Jun 23, 2008 2:34 AM in response to owen-b

Och well I registered anyway, and have just submitted a detailed bug report using that link. Cheers!

Jun 23, 2008 3:04 AM in response to owen-b

i.3d: I'm tired of being the beta-tester for the manufacturers, getting money for their faulty products.

owen-b Author

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Jun 23, 2008 3:07 AM in response to Sven Becker

It's true that Leopard is rammed full of bugs. Mail notifications on startup still aren't fixed - whether I have 1 or 100 messages to download, upon startup Mail always always +always+ plays the No New Mail sound since installing Leopard.

i.3d

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Jun 23, 2008 3:38 AM in response to Sven Becker

I don't understand what does that have to do with me.
I am a user just like you, and there's a heap of other options besides MAC.

owen-b Author

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Jun 23, 2008 3:42 AM in response to i.3d

+I don't understand what does that have to do with me.+
+I am a user just like you, and there's a heap of other options besides MAC.+

Eh? Who is this aimed at? And what is MAC? He was just making a point in general about how Leopard is buggy, and used your name to direct his entry in the conversation so that it didn't get lost. I don't think he was blaming you, mate. That would be st00pid, after all! 🙂

i.3d

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Jun 23, 2008 3:33 PM in response to owen-b

MAC - I meant Mac, Apple ... LOL!
I am not interested in rants, but if I read:
"i.3d: blah, blah" I assume it's addressed to me.
Anyway the bug reporter is the best place to go if one suspects a bug.
Have a look around at 100s of posts about issues which Apple acknowledged as a bug and a "working on it" and yet people spend endless amounts of time and energy trying to resolve it - pointless.

Keep us posted about the Apple's reply.

cheers

owen-b Author

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Jun 23, 2008 4:36 PM in response to i.3d

Yeah, dude, it is addressed to you - he's engaging you in a conversation, giving you his opinion of the state of the modern technology industry. He's not blaming you for it! He's just clarifying that's engaging you in that chat as opposed to me, specifically.

At least, that's what I got from it. 😉

For what it's worth, the bug reporter you refer to is HIGHLY unlikely to be used by anyone except the most devoted of users. I wasn't aware of the page and even when you pointed it out I had to register as a Mac Software Developer, which I'm not, in order to be able to use it. If Apple don't treat the other 'bug' registration page (the one I originally used) with the same urgency and personal attention as the Developer's one, you can surely understand users' frustrations with Apple at their apparent lack of urgency for solving their reported problems.

The Mail example I give has been widely documented since Leopard's release and there's still no definitive fix, or any word on it's acknowledgement through the usual channels.

Anyway, I'm okay for now so we'll see what happens with this one. Cheers for your help!

Owen

i.3d

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Jun 24, 2008 1:28 AM in response to owen-b

"Yeah, dude, it is addressed to you - he's engaging you in a conversation, giving you his opinion of the state of the modern technology industry."

OK, but these forums are for soft/hardware issues.

When you go to the feedback site, they clearly state that there will not be a response to the feedback.
To report a bug (a replicable error) you use the bug report. To do that you have to register as a developer, which is just Apple's way of dealing with this issue.
You register, you report a bug, you receive a reply. What's not right about it?
As far as I know this is the only company which allows the end users to comment, and get feedback abut their comments.
Is the glass half full or half empty?
Is it using users as beta testers, or is it allowing users to be involved in constant improvement of the product?

owen-b Author

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Jun 24, 2008 3:16 AM in response to i.3d

+OK, but these forums are for soft/hardware issues.+

Man, you never had a conversation with anyone? Lighten up just a LITTLE! 🙂

You make a fair point about what it clearly says on the 'consumer' version of their bug report page but you also sound a little like a headmaster. Like I say, can you not understand the +average users'+ potential frustration at certain bugs niggling away on Leopard almost a year and 3 point releases down the line? As for the bug reporter I registered for, there's nothing wrong with it at all. It's great. But, again like I said, it's most likely not going to be discovered and registered for by the +average user+, that's all I'm saying. I had to tell little white lies to be able to use it. No biggie, just pointing out that without feedback or acknowledgement (even if they say there won't be any), people can get prickly if they feel they're being ignored +even if they're not+.

Anyway, whatever, thank you for your input on my experience, and I've gone the 'proper' channels thanks to you so hopefully I'll see some kind of resolution to it!

As regards your final point, it's both - but as someone that's used a Mac since I was roughly 10 years old, Leopard is an OS that was released with more bugs and imperfections present in it on Day One than I can remember for a long time, which slightly tarnished Apple's reputation as a producer of polished reliable software - regardless of how innovative it was. Just saying.

Lighten up a tiny bit, dude, there's nothing wrong with an idle tossing around of a little opinion and chat even in a hardware/software issue board.

We can probably mark this as solved now because I worked out how to prevent my problem (turn off 'Embed Color Profile') - but leave the discussion open in case Apple get back to me with developments. I'll report back if they do.

Cheers everyone,
Owen

owen-b Author

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Jun 24, 2008 3:21 AM in response to owen-b

Marking this as "Answered" because I determined what was causing the duplication: Image Capture was set to 'Embed Color Profile' which for some reason with my setup was duplicating the original files, rendering the originals invisible and showing the duplicates embedded with the Camera RGB profile by Image Capture.

Turning off 'Embed Color Profile' stopped this duplication from occurring, leaving me with the original files in the color space they were recorded by the camera.

I filed a bug report with Apple's Developers Bug Report system. Haven't heard anything back as yet.

i.3d

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Jun 24, 2008 3:30 AM in response to owen-b

"As regards your final point, it's both - but as someone that's used a Mac since I was roughly 10 years old..."
For all we know you could be 11 LOL! 😉

"Leopard is an OS that was released with more bugs and imperfections present in it on Day One than I can remember for a long time..."

Short memory. Remember the initial, very first OSX? Sure you do.
I am not as stuck up as I may sound (read, I guess) but I had more posts and threads removed from here than I care to remember, and a pointless banter is exactly what gets the posts deleted, so if you want a solution, do not rant - "they" DO delete posts you know.

And do keep us posted on the results of the report.

owen-b Author

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Jun 24, 2008 3:32 AM in response to i.3d

Heh, all very good points, well made! I'd forgotten the first release of OSX indeed. And I'm 12.

I mean, 32. 😉

Cheers,
Owen

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