RTAS in Logic?

Yes you are rigth...
why? (ask to Digidesign... They know the answer perfectly.. 😉 )

there are many great plugs that comes with version for RTAS (Protools LE not professional standard)... VST ... it is not so bad is a semi professional standard...

Final!!!

Audio Units plugins:
this is the Apple Industry Standard! IT IS professional!!! it is THE MOST ADVANCED
(so, don't cry for missing rtas plugs,,, they are obsolete!!!)

the only plugs that you cannot use are the "crap" RTAS Bomb-factory...

you don't loose any great plugins

All Pro Plugins are developed as Audio Units... or VST
the all others are a very low cost ... cheap... obsolete plugs!!!

this post should forward to digidesign forum...
the Title of the post is:

Why Digidesign don't make a Audio Unit version of their plugins?

I can only try to give you an answare about that... and it is only my personal opinion:

Digidesign don't make Audio Unit version because everyone would ear by themself the big difference in audio quality!

G

Mike Connelly wrote:
It would be great if Logic had full TDM/DAE/RTAS support, but they don't. They could, but I'm sure it would be a huge amount of work to do right, and frankly I'm not surprised they don't want to go to the trouble.

I don't think so... because Waves, iZotope, UAD, Wave Arts, Brianworx Mastering... and every professional plugs are developed in AU,VST,RTAS format

the only RTAS plugs are Digidesign property with all rights reserved..
...
I prefer to be free to get my choice and take me far away from Digi hardware...
I loose too much money...
I just close my "door" to digidesign!

When pro tools will works with Motu and Core Audio.... it should be a different way...
Maybe I will re-open my "door"!

G

You don't think so what?

Many third party RTAS plugs are also AU, but for those who own pro tools, it would be nice to be able to use that format plugin in Logic.

I agree with you, would be nice for the Pro Tools user that switch to Logic, but they need to ask that to Digidesign... and my "I don't think so" ....is about that!

Sorry for my bad English should be happy to learn a better way to explain my point...

but please... I'm always quite...
I appreciate very much someone who teach me a more calm way to answer your questions
and I appreciate the mutual respect of mine as yours views!

G

oops I take a mystake...
I agree with you
And Now: Snow Leopard comes with GPU DSP features...
And AVID goes to the obsolete way (sorry this is fermusic weather Report)

🙂

I don't think this is a Apple desire...
Simply Avid is fearful of the power and competition of FinalCut Studio + Logic Studio + Aperture.
Avid is now focused to Windows platform...
But this is not a Apple decision...

But there are a Lot of professional Media developers that work on Mac without AVID hardware

a same situation was happen with Abobe...
I remember they cannot support Mac Os X for a lot of time... for a similar reason.

Was a Adobe mistake
and now is a AVID mistake...
because is clear...
the professional quality of the Apple Pro Applications is now a tangible reality

G

Mike Connelly wrote:
MOTU is doing it. How could they be doing it if Digi wasn't making it available?

I have Motu device
I use DP...

it works with DAE
it doesn't support RTAS...

this is another evidence that is a Digidesign choice.... they are terrified of the power of Logic and not considered a competitor Digital Performer ... it follows that their drivers are written expressly to give problems to Logic!

this is an evidence that no-one can ignore...

the driver for be able to work with DAE TDM hardware are developed by DIGIDESIGN!!!!
If they want to cut Logic, they can do!

Logic and Apple cannot do anything... Logic doesn't work with Digi firewire or USB device... or better it works but with very poor performances... this is a Digidesign decision!

I hope to be clear in explaining my opinion without misunderstandings

Logic works with DAE...
there is Drivers page...
but the drivers are Avid property....
Logic would have no advantage to cut DAE TDM compatibilty!

Because Logic is "simply the best" 😉

G

Mike Connelly wrote:
According to MOTU's website, DP 6 does support RTAS - I assume that's only on digi hardware running DAE.

According to Motu's is not the same as according to Logic's

you assume?

you have DP6?
NOW?

I think you must wait...

so

when you got DP6... let me know if it works

In any case RTAS plugs are not my favourite... and I'm not intereasted to buy it
if I will find in some Studio this kind of plugs I usually avoid to use it...
because they are not so good for my ear

I prefer my UAD
or waves

and in any case i prefer Audio Unit version

G

Mike Connelly wrote:

You keep insisting that Apple/Logic "can't do anything"...if that was really the case, then how is Motu/DP doing it?

you don't understand my point... maybe is my fault

Apple/logic don't need to do anything... this is the correct way...
sorry

AU is the Apple/Logic Standard and it is suppoted in DP from the beginnings of OS X!

Tell me... What do you think that can do Apple with RTAS?
Is Digidesigne the only one that can make an offer about RTAS!!!!
is a digidesign choice make offer to motu and not to Apple

they was made the same thing with M-AUDIO!
I hope the Motu will remain far miles away from AVID for the Audio device...

it is an EVIDENCE!!!
there is no way!!!

it is not a sabotage!!!
it is obvious!

Logic does not need to do anything because it is in a dominant position
it is the winner of the market

when a Brand is in a dominant position the others Brands need to stipulate agreements and unions in order to avoid to loose too much!

Digidesign is in crisis...
they are losing market share
these agreements are signs of weakness

Apple doesn't need to do any agreement = they can't do anything because RTAS support is not a problem... it is good only for the DIGI 003 owners...

they will buy DP6... is more efficient than PT LE
they will be happy.... I love to see happy people

I'm also Happy... with Logic 🙂

and I hope with all my heart that you are also happy

fermusic

Bzarry wrote:
I do so love tracking with no discernible latency though. Native still can't do that.

I have less than 5ms 128buffer size or 10ms 256buffer size at 48 when tracking in Logic 8 and Motu 828 MK3... and I always tracking through a NEVE 88RS channel stripn in Live mode!

Also if I don't want using software monitoring, with MY new MOTU 828MK3 I can use its DSP that allow me to have EQ, Compressors (LA2A type) and reverb...

in this last case I got about 0.5ms of latency when tracking!

do you know the exactly ammount af Latency with Protools DAE?
it is almost the same as Logic software monitoring (CORE AUDIO) or greater.
I know... I work on Protools studios

Logic worcks fine with DAE...
usually I use from 40 to 80 Instruments track in Logic..
this kind of MIX cannot be made by using PT... because it require 160 MONO tracks..

if you use Digidesign Core Audio you got about 5ms additional Latency if compared with Apple Core Audio! (this happen for safety protection of the RTAS copyright and it take a lot of CPU power request)

I usually pre-produce in Logic and then export everything to mix in PT, but for a lot of things I can get away with mixing in Logic. It's for this scenario that I'd like to have RTAS.

RTAS is a Digidesign property...
if they want to add in Logic RTAS porting... they can do!

Apple will be happy to add RTAS in Logic in a futire update!

BUT is DIGIDESIGN the only one that can give the permission and license to use RTAS in Logic.
Apple cannot do anything about a copyrigth owned by others!

So, Please, ask to Digidesign about that!

G

My educate question is:
Why Digidesign don't want release AU version of its plugins?

Audio Units is the Apple Industry Standard
is more efficient
require less cpu power
comes with less Latency...

it is simply the best!

this is one thing that you forget to mention in your post!

I repeat
Audio Units is the most advanced Plugin standard
it support FREEZE FUNCTION
RTAS is obsolete standard...

it cannot support freeze function!

I hope to have solved this question!

G

noeqplease wrote:

So, tell me this... why doesn't Apple release It's plug ins as either TDM or RTAS format?

Because RTAS is not a Apple property!

Because Apple is not a plugin developers house (Logic comes with bundle plugins.. they are not ONLY AU plugs... they are Logic plugs that works with core audio n the best way as possible)!

Because Apple is the developer of OS X system

do you want more funny answare?

there are many others "because" ... feel free to ask, you are welcome!

I LOVE RTAS!!!

I see, I understand your point...
and I respect your preferd plugs

I Love Waves
I love Spectrasomics
I Love UAD...

but the most important is... I LOVE MACs!!!

They are released as AU version too!! (UAD can be converted from VST to RTAS)
ALL AU version are more efficient, with better sound quality, less CPU power, Less Latency.. On Apple Mac OS X System.

AU is the Apple standard...
every Audio plugins developers are the Audio Unit technical specification..
Everyone of that software houses can do an AU version of their plugins

Funny... really funny

But please... respect my point like as I just doing with yours!

🙂

tonwurm wrote:
RTAS-support exists since years in Digital Performer; latency compensation is also supported (not in Logic´s DAE mode). Support of dual-mono TDM plugs is provided (not in Logic´s DAE mode).

The delay compensation (PDC) is not a problem for an expert engeener (like me 🙂 ) (there are DAE plugs for that)
I have used Many times Logic with DAE hardware...
I never got any problem!

Logic is not the same as Digital Performer...
I respect the choice of every one...

but personally I prefer Logic!

G

DAE TDM SUPPORT exist in Logic from over than 13/14 or maybe 15 Years!!!

From How many years are supported in DP?

Same as Logic!
because in those years Protools did not support MIDI (or it had but with ridicoluos performance)
has made agreements with Steinberg, Emagic and DP to be able to sell its hardware but only Audiomedia III that did not support DAE TDM DSPs...

The only and the FIRST daw that support DAE TDM was Emagic Logic... because it was and it is still the best Audio-Midi software!

Thanks for your answare

G