RTAS in Logic?

Yes, but the OP really just wants to (as I understand it) have RTAS supported natively in Logic. Which won't happen, as is also not the case with DP, because it's a closed proprietry technology and if you think Digidesign are going to license this to a competitor - well, it's not going to happen.

They want RTAS to remain exclusive to ProTools...

Mike Connelly wrote:
It would be great if Logic had full TDM/DAE/RTAS support, but they don't. They could, but I'm sure it would be a huge amount of work to do right, and frankly I'm not surprised they don't want to go to the trouble.

I don't think so... because Waves, iZotope, UAD, Wave Arts, Brianworx Mastering... and every professional plugs are developed in AU,VST,RTAS format

the only RTAS plugs are Digidesign property with all rights reserved..
...
I prefer to be free to get my choice and take me far away from Digi hardware...
I loose too much money...
I just close my "door" to digidesign!

When pro tools will works with Motu and Core Audio.... it should be a different way...
Maybe I will re-open my "door"!

G

You don't think so what?

Many third party RTAS plugs are also AU, but for those who own pro tools, it would be nice to be able to use that format plugin in Logic.

I agree with you, would be nice for the Pro Tools user that switch to Logic, but they need to ask that to Digidesign... and my "I don't think so" ....is about that!

Sorry for my bad English should be happy to learn a better way to explain my point...

but please... I'm always quite...
I appreciate very much someone who teach me a more calm way to answer your questions
and I appreciate the mutual respect of mine as yours views!

G

Digidesign does make that available, as demonstrated by Motu. If Motu is able to do it but Logic not, I don't get how that's Digi's fault.

And yes, it requires running DAE, and it includes a number of issues and potential problems. But the format does seem to be available to third parties - Apple simply has chosen not to do it.

I don't think Apple are too bothered about directly supporting ProTools anymore, unlike back in the Emagic days where offering PT support had significant advantages - both for the end user, and the credibility of Logic...

oops I take a mystake...
I agree with you
And Now: Snow Leopard comes with GPU DSP features...
And AVID goes to the obsolete way (sorry this is fermusic weather Report)

🙂

I don't think this is a Apple desire...
Simply Avid is fearful of the power and competition of FinalCut Studio + Logic Studio + Aperture.
Avid is now focused to Windows platform...
But this is not a Apple decision...

But there are a Lot of professional Media developers that work on Mac without AVID hardware

a same situation was happen with Abobe...
I remember they cannot support Mac Os X for a lot of time... for a similar reason.

Was a Adobe mistake
and now is a AVID mistake...
because is clear...
the professional quality of the Apple Pro Applications is now a tangible reality

G

I agree that it's not a priority for Apple.

But I don't get why you say it's not an Apple decision?

MOTU is doing it. How could they be doing it if Digi wasn't making it available?

And while Apple clearly has made gains on Adobe/Avid/Digidesign, it's not really about hardware (at this point, I suspect many users buy the PT hardware only because it's the only way to get the software). Pro Tools still has some great features that I'd kill to see in Logic. As much as I like Logic, I have to admit that some things like automation are still a mess compared to the seamless way it works in PT (even PTLE).

And yeah, some of that is personal opinion, but some of it is flat out bugs in Logic where the same functionality is rock solid in PT.

Mike Connelly wrote:
MOTU is doing it. How could they be doing it if Digi wasn't making it available?

I have Motu device
I use DP...

it works with DAE
it doesn't support RTAS...

this is another evidence that is a Digidesign choice.... they are terrified of the power of Logic and not considered a competitor Digital Performer ... it follows that their drivers are written expressly to give problems to Logic!

this is an evidence that no-one can ignore...

the driver for be able to work with DAE TDM hardware are developed by DIGIDESIGN!!!!
If they want to cut Logic, they can do!

Logic and Apple cannot do anything... Logic doesn't work with Digi firewire or USB device... or better it works but with very poor performances... this is a Digidesign decision!

I hope to be clear in explaining my opinion without misunderstandings

Logic works with DAE...
there is Drivers page...
but the drivers are Avid property....
Logic would have no advantage to cut DAE TDM compatibilty!

Because Logic is "simply the best" 😉

G

fermusic wrote:
it works with DAE
it doesn't support RTAS...

According to MOTU's website, DP 6 does support RTAS - I assume that's only on digi hardware running DAE.

the driver for be able to work with DAE TDM hardware are developed by DIGIDESIGN!!!!
If they want to cut Logic, they can do!

It seems like you don't understand how drivers work. Digi makes the drivers/DAE. They document the drivers and how other apps work with them.

If they sabotaged anything, DP wouldn't run RTAS plugins either. I'm sure they don't care about making it easy for Apple (or probably anyone else for that matter), but if Apple wanted to go to the trouble, there's nothing stopping them.

You keep insisting that Apple/Logic "can't do anything"...if that was really the case, then how is Motu/DP doing it?

Digidesign either makes it available to third parties or they don't. I don't get how you think they're somehow magically allowing DP to work but not Logic?

Mike Connelly wrote:
According to MOTU's website, DP 6 does support RTAS - I assume that's only on digi hardware running DAE.

According to Motu's is not the same as according to Logic's

you assume?

you have DP6?
NOW?

I think you must wait...

so

when you got DP6... let me know if it works

In any case RTAS plugs are not my favourite... and I'm not intereasted to buy it
if I will find in some Studio this kind of plugs I usually avoid to use it...
because they are not so good for my ear

I prefer my UAD
or waves

and in any case i prefer Audio Unit version

G

Mike Connelly wrote:

You keep insisting that Apple/Logic "can't do anything"...if that was really the case, then how is Motu/DP doing it?

you don't understand my point... maybe is my fault

Apple/logic don't need to do anything... this is the correct way...
sorry

AU is the Apple/Logic Standard and it is suppoted in DP from the beginnings of OS X!

Tell me... What do you think that can do Apple with RTAS?
Is Digidesigne the only one that can make an offer about RTAS!!!!
is a digidesign choice make offer to motu and not to Apple

they was made the same thing with M-AUDIO!
I hope the Motu will remain far miles away from AVID for the Audio device...

it is an EVIDENCE!!!
there is no way!!!

it is not a sabotage!!!
it is obvious!

Logic does not need to do anything because it is in a dominant position
it is the winner of the market

when a Brand is in a dominant position the others Brands need to stipulate agreements and unions in order to avoid to loose too much!

Digidesign is in crisis...
they are losing market share
these agreements are signs of weakness

Apple doesn't need to do any agreement = they can't do anything because RTAS support is not a problem... it is good only for the DIGI 003 owners...

they will buy DP6... is more efficient than PT LE
they will be happy.... I love to see happy people

I'm also Happy... with Logic 🙂

and I hope with all my heart that you are also happy

fermusic

You can go read the UnicorNation users group and find out that it works, but not as well as folks would like. Also there is no simultaneous native engine. It's either MAS or DAE apparently, and never the twain shall meet.

I guess that running what amounts to two native engines (Logic's own and RTAS under DAE) is complicated. I can do it "manually" by running PT and Logic at the same time, and have worked that way quite a bit. But it's unwieldy and there are timing issues.

Of course, Logic also doesn't support DAE's delay compensation, so heavy mixing is really out of the question on the DAE side. I do so love tracking with no discernible latency though. Native still can't do that.

I usually pre-produce in Logic and then export everything to mix in PT, but for a lot of things I can get away with mixing in Logic. It's for this scenario that I'd like to have RTAS.

Bzarry wrote:
I do so love tracking with no discernible latency though. Native still can't do that.

I have less than 5ms 128buffer size or 10ms 256buffer size at 48 when tracking in Logic 8 and Motu 828 MK3... and I always tracking through a NEVE 88RS channel stripn in Live mode!

Also if I don't want using software monitoring, with MY new MOTU 828MK3 I can use its DSP that allow me to have EQ, Compressors (LA2A type) and reverb...

in this last case I got about 0.5ms of latency when tracking!

do you know the exactly ammount af Latency with Protools DAE?
it is almost the same as Logic software monitoring (CORE AUDIO) or greater.
I know... I work on Protools studios

Logic worcks fine with DAE...
usually I use from 40 to 80 Instruments track in Logic..
this kind of MIX cannot be made by using PT... because it require 160 MONO tracks..

if you use Digidesign Core Audio you got about 5ms additional Latency if compared with Apple Core Audio! (this happen for safety protection of the RTAS copyright and it take a lot of CPU power request)

I usually pre-produce in Logic and then export everything to mix in PT, but for a lot of things I can get away with mixing in Logic. It's for this scenario that I'd like to have RTAS.

RTAS is a Digidesign property...
if they want to add in Logic RTAS porting... they can do!

Apple will be happy to add RTAS in Logic in a futire update!

BUT is DIGIDESIGN the only one that can give the permission and license to use RTAS in Logic.
Apple cannot do anything about a copyrigth owned by others!

So, Please, ask to Digidesign about that!

G