RTAS in Logic?

I'm pretty sure it's impossible, but I thought I'd ask anyway...

Is there anyway to get my RTAS plugins in Logic? Logic doesn't support VST cause maybe I could wrap them to VST and use them that way... I don't know... I like logic and pro tools and don't want to have to choose...

imac, Mac OS X (10.5.2)

Posted on Jul 20, 2008 10:04 AM

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Aug 13, 2008 12:19 PM in response to tonwurm

tonwurm thanks for adding to the discussion! It's good to hear from a DP user.

Logic and DAE is finally pretty stable for me. In fact I can say that I've not had one crash since 8.02, PT 7.4 and OS 10.5.4. It really works! However, it is missing the functions you described; delay comp and dual mono plug compatibility. That last one is a drag as I have the Oxford and MDW EQ's and have to make do with Waves G-channel and Filterbank. Of course, it would really make things better if I could run my RTAS stuff, like Roger Nichols and Guitar Rig.

Can you tell us though how your native VI's integrate with DAE? Is there an equivalent to DTDM? If so how many channels stream? Does DP have a "freeze" or temporary render function?

Also, I'm wondering how RTAS in DP would work with FXpansion's VST-RTAS wrapper? I get a lot of use out of that with PT.

Thanks again for taking the time to post!

Aug 13, 2008 2:38 PM in response to Community User

fermusic wrote:
My educate question is:
Why Digidesign don't want release AU version of its plugins?

Audio Units is the Apple Industry Standard
is more efficient
require less cpu power
comes with less Latency...

it is simply the best!

this is one thing that you forget to mention in your post!

I repeat
Audio Units is the most advanced Plugin standard
it support FREEZE FUNCTION
RTAS is obsolete standard...

it cannot support freeze function!

I hope to have solved this question!

G


LOL

You are too funny...

So, tell me this... why doesn't Apple release It's plug ins as either TDM or RTAS format?

I LOVE RTAS!!!

Aug 14, 2008 3:26 AM in response to Bzarry

Hi Bzarry !

+can you tell us though how your native VI's integrate with DAE? Is there an equivalent to DTDM? If so how many channels stream? Does DP have a "freeze" or temporary render function?+

DP´s native VI cannot be integrated or streamed into DAE like DTDM within Logic. In DP there can only be one engine be active at a time. On the other side - I didn´t miss any of the native VI´s (either Logic´s or DP´s, even DP´s are much better for my music than Logic´s). For me it´s more important to have a sample accurat and stable engine (unlike Logic´s DTDM, I never was very happy with it) and that´s the kind with DAE in DP.

The freeze function in DP works fantastic in DAE mode on audio and RTAS VI-Tracks.

+Also, I'm wondering how RTAS in DP would work with FXpansion's VST-RTAS wrapper? I get a lot of use out of that with PT.+

I had no problem with VST to RTAS wrapper in DP. Every plug that I wrapped (f.e RealGuitar, RealStrat) works without any probs. But check the Unicornation forum for it...

I can only repeat what I wrote before and in another thread here: I had been a logic enthusiast since the first hour of logic (like fermusic 😉 logic is the best best best ... and so on). That had to do with, that I never looked really deep in the competition daw´s. DP was totally unknown for me. But I was so disappointed with logic and its ridiculous DAE support and after the disappointing release of Logic 8 I didn´t want to wait any longer. So I made a try and bought DP (the only alternative for midi arranging and DAE). It was a hard switch for me, after beeing so trained to work in logic´s way. I read DP´s manual two times and after a while it works. For a composer who does not make only "unk unk unk music" (modern march music - perfect to do with logic) it has so many nice arrange features, I didn´t know before that they exist at all.

One word to latency: I never did a measurement, but my ears are not so bad and my impression is, that playing RTAS instruments in DP is more responsive (with the same buffer setting than AU in Logic).

There are some restrictions too (shure): you cannot work with DP´s pitch edit in DAE (it´s a kind like melodyne) nor does Melodyne work in any mode (plugin or melodyne bridge). And there is an issue with the newest Native Instrument plugs (Kontakt 3 f.e.) in PPC machines from ProTools 7.3 on (causes crashes, but they are working on it). So I had to stay on PT 7.2. But with that restrictions I can live. As a summary I can say: DP is a powerful frontend for PT hardware, since you have very good tools for audio AND midi editing in ONE daw. There are so many convenient details I don´t want to miss any more.

Aug 14, 2008 6:46 AM in response to Community User

Cool !

I´m not so far away from you - the 50 is coming nearer so fast

I´ve started to make music with tapemachines in 1976 (I was very young) and with computers in 1986 (Atari ST - later Macintosh)

But thanks for your offer, perhaps ... all is possible


success and all the best for you


Josef Ferger
German Composer, Arranger and Producer (okay - Pianoplayer)

Aug 15, 2008 1:04 AM in response to Bzarry

Yes, the freeze function in DP works only in realtime mode since the DAe doesn´t provide realtime bouncing/freezing. DP creates automatically a track (or multiple tracks if you freeze more than one track at the same time) and leaves the original track as it was. I usually pack this track in a folder and mute it. The only thing you have to do is to select a region (or more than one) and choose the freeze command.

One thing I prefer in DP too, is like the audiosuite works. In logic you have to open the sample editor and for every further edit you want to do, you have to hangle through the audiosuite menu again.

In DP you select (before or after doesn´t matter) a region or more in the Arrange Window (in DP it´s called Sequence Editor) and choose an audiosuite plug from the menu. After applying the edit, the plug window can even be open so that you can make further edits without to choose the plug everytime again from the menu.

Also the response of the DAE is much better in DP. In Logic every edit (f.e. mute/demute) during playback causes a delay (estimatet 1-2 seconds) in updating the engine. In DP it´s very short, perhaps only 100-200 ms.

Hope that helps for you.

Greetings, J.F.

Ah, I forgot ... the audiosuite edits in DP work all in background, so you can go on with your work until the edit is complete. During the background processing DP plays the files as they have been before the edit.

Message was edited by: tonwurm

Jul 27, 2008 6:51 AM in response to imnickb

Logic Support DAE TDM hardware...
if you have HD Accell you will be able to work with Protools hardware in Logic...
such As Digital performer...

But Logic support Pro Tools Hardware from long--- LONG TIME AGO...

Until Logic Audio 3!!!
in the 1994!!!! or '93...

More than 15 Years ago!!! (Logic was the PT killer and continue to kill it from 15 Years and future ways)

you just need to buy a Professional Digidesign Hardtware!!!

the RTAS is not a professional technology... Audio Units s thousands miles better!!

(RTAS works with PTLE... it is not professional)
(there are no reason to use RTAS plugs because Logic plugs and third party AU version are much better...)

G

(please don't talk me about horrendous bomb-fatctory.... Logic Pro plugins are professional!!!)

Aug 8, 2008 5:02 PM in response to Gregg Sandheinrich

In Logic you can freeze the tracks... this allow you to freeing Cpu and UAD DSP power

In Protools you can't do that...
the only way to use more than 64 mono tracks is Buy additional expansive Digidesign DSPs Hardware! (that is why Protools doesn't have freeze function)

If you need to make a destructive ediding of a region you can use "expore region as audio files features!

logic is ... Simply the Best 😉

G

Aug 9, 2008 1:17 PM in response to Bzarry

I like too but...
it is not indispensable...
the difference on the final result is questionable and certainly subtle (especially to blindfolded)

The difference makes the man ...
The machine quality is an optional

I can obtain a great sound without spend so much money...
if i'm a good Sound Engeener!
I prefer the sound of a Pure Analog Hardware... I'm not so young
I just work with Studer, Neve, Trident, Ampex, Lexicon, and almost of hardware that now I use with UAD plugins!
I love to spend much money... it is one of my favorite sports 🙂

but...
Logic is the best!

Thanks

G

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