SMB alternative

Ok after a hectic two weeks of no joy SMB in 10.5.5 I have given up.

Does any one know any way to install an alternative version of SMB into server 10.5.5.

I have spent untold hours trying to resolve the SMB issue that 10.5 has with no luck. I have spoken to apple and they appear know about it. The reports on the internet are all different and I have come to the conclusion that different programs react in different ways to the SMB sharing that 10.5 server provides. Some apps can write to the shares but not read from them. Others can read, but not write some can not do either.

I have tried just about every combination of permissions using acls, posix and propagating both. Tried this in OD mode and local dir mode Nothing fix's it. A college of mine came up against the same thing today with another windows program not being able to open files off a 10.5 server.

Another issue I have is my intranet which is a linux machine. It access pdf's stored on the server. It logs in with a user name and password using SMB, but again it can not load the pdf's because the SMB permissions are all wrong.

I came across this today while trying to find a solution. http://www.thursby.com/products/dave.html I installed the demo and straight away the programs I am having trouble with work. Only problem is it seems to share out folders to users and not groups which does not help me with an 80+ user network.

So I am pretty much sitting with an xserve that is absolutely useless to me because I can not use it. Apple have told me I can not install 10.4 server onto the xserve because it will not work. True or not I don't know.

Really this needs to be sorted out and quick.


To quote apple

http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/features/filesharing.html

"Sharing made easy.
It’s easy to share hard drives or individual folders and assign custom access permissions with Mac OS X Server. To facilitate collaboration, each group gets its own shared folder on the server. Whether they’re on Mac or PC systems, all group members can read and write to files in the shared folder, just as if they were using their own hard drive."

Blatantly not true. I am pretty annoyed with this now as I have to switch back to the 10.4 server and have no use for my new 10.5.5 xserve. Apple said they will not exchange it even though it does not do what they say it does. This xserve has been sitting doing nothing for the last 6 months because apple have yet to fix the issue.

If some one can solve my problem I will be more than happy, but if not what a waste of time. My advice would be to any one do not buy or upgrade to 10.5 server if you need SMB sharing in any way until this issue has been fixed.

xserve 2x3ghz quad core 14gig ram 2x80gig sas drives XRAID, Mac OS X (10.5.5)

Posted on Oct 24, 2008 12:47 PM

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Oct 25, 2008 6:28 AM in response to Leif Carlsson

Hello Leif

Yes I have. The best I can say is it's better to stick with ACLs when Leopard is involved. A lot of Gerrit de Witt's posts regarding Apple's permissions models allude to this? However it does not exclude any lingering inherent problems with the SMB Service.

What I'm struggling with is the problems the OP (and some others) seems to be having? Apart from one site I have yet to see the problem. There may be some deeper underlying issue that needs to be addressed? Perhaps only then will 10.5 Server perform as desired for the OP?

Tony

Dec 19, 2008 2:31 PM in response to skeates

I too am sharing the pain of an unsuccessful smb shared network. I've got a problem with a xp64bit clients blue screening when it transfers files up at down at the same time. Very frustrating! I'm also seeing "network name no longer available" with 32bit xp clients. Some would point the finger at windows but this never happend on 10.4. I've spent countless hours trying to find the cause of this.

Dec 19, 2008 6:41 PM in response to Antonio Rocco

Ok, you've described your problems but left out some key details.

Which Windows clients XP SP 2, SP 3, Vista 32 Bit, 64 Bit ? And please do specify, what are the programs exactly that are not honoring the permissions you set on your shares and have you talked to these 3rd party software vendors ?

I have seen no such problems between XP SP3 and 10.5 server.

How is SMB configured, PDC
with confirmed working forward and reverse DNS lookup(s) for your OS X Server ?

If you have client machines running Vista, it's got a known bug that makes it incompatible with quite a bit of networking equipment (and not an Apple issue at all),
and that "network name no longer available" is probably all about this - see my post here:
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=8644104#8644104

Beyond that, you could very well disable SMB via Server Admin,
install the (free but you have to sign up) Developer Tools, and install Samba from source.
Then use the web interface (SWAT) to configure your custom-installed Samba

Dec 21, 2008 8:52 PM in response to Antonio Rocco

Yes we have installed the 64bit versions of the nic card. I have setup a new test system using the workgroup mode and the same crashes occur. On a 32bit xp system I get Network name no longer exists.

Can someone do the same test as me please. Just transfer a file(s) more than about 8 gigs from the server to your windows desktop and when its about half way through up load some smaller files to the server. Maybe 2 or 3 at a time.

Thanks

Dec 22, 2008 5:16 AM in response to John Agapitos

What do the logs on your OS X Server say ?

Client-side blue-screening is a client-side issue. Certainly a hardware problem or poor driver could contribute.

You can try tuning samba via /etc/smb.conf
first shut off smb and don't use the Finder (or risk leaving incorrect file permissions),
use nano or vi or emacs in the Terminal.

in the

[global] section, set

socket options TCP_NODELAY SO_SNDBUF=16000 SO_RCVBUF=16000

also try values of 32000

But to work out specific values for your instance, you can read more here (understand that it is translated from a Japanese smb user-group):
http://www.tac.tsukuba.ac.jp/~yamato/samba/5500/msg00030.html

Feb 22, 2009 9:57 PM in response to John Agapitos

I've had the same experience with XP x64 and Leopard Server and have double checked my drivers. Did you find a solution?

I can add that I had a look at the XP 64 kernel dump and the problem appeared to come from mrxsmb which is involved in smb transfer of large files/large file quantities. This confirms that its not the network drivers. After a bit of reading I'm guessing that the leopard samba server is sending out larger information packets than previous agreed to by the client. This might cause a buffer overflow and crash the client.

Feb 22, 2009 10:27 PM in response to John Agapitos

As davidh points out a blue screen in windows is a driver related issue. When it blue screens it should give you an error, if it auto reboots then turn that function off and let us know the error.

Also let us know if the Windows clients log on to the server and get an auto-mounted drive through a batch script? Or do they browse the network for the share?

What programs do not work? Home grown ones?

Mar 1, 2009 5:09 PM in response to rkovelman

Drivers are not the only cause of blue screens, just the most likely cause. And the crash dump confirmed it was something in the OS relating to file transfers. At least in my case.

As for your questions... I've seen the crashes in both batch script mounted and UNC navigated shares. A program list is hard to compile but Windows Explorer is a regular culprit along with Excel and other possible candidates include Maya and Lightwave.

Message was edited by: adrmaas

Mar 2, 2009 3:31 AM in response to skeates

Hi All

I am having the exact smae issue as described here. I have 10 windows XP 64 bit clients, when copying a selection i.e more than one file from a folder on the network to another folder on the network the XP box get a BSOD.

The server is a OS X 10.5.6 server fully patched, and is connected to an Xserve RAID, the folders being copied to and from are located within the same share.

The error in the BSOD generally always relates to the mrxsmb.sys file. Ive tried a few microsoft hotfixes as I thought the issue was a client side problem, but I can replicate the fault on all 10 workstations folloing exactly the same steps.

Im now convinced its something to do with SMB services on 10.5 server. Has anyone managed to figure out what seems to be causing this issue?

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. (ima also just about to try the above entry into smb.conf so ill post my reslts when done).

Thanks

Mar 2, 2009 4:46 AM in response to Daniel Marshall1

Hi All

Back again. I tried the above fixes for this issue but they hav'nt seemed to work.

However on a slightly beter note I did speak to Apple Support who confirmed that this is listed with them as a known issue with SMB but they do not have a timescale for when it will be fixed 😟

In the mean time im going to migrate back to a Tiger server and hope that solves the issue until Apple get themselves sorted on fixing this.

Mar 2, 2009 6:34 AM in response to skeates

I have a similar problem on my network. My XP x64 SP2 machines all crash when I download a file from the internet (using either IE or Firefox) to my networked home folder.

It does not crash when saving the file on a local disk which makes me believe it's a problem with SMB.

I wonder if installing a more recent version of SMB would solve the problem...

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