Classical music on iPod Classic?

I think that iPod software is made for only modern music.
I've tried a lot of ways to organize my classical music in my iPod and none get correct.
The only one is joining the movements (in case of a symphony or a concert) by "Join Together" and set the name as the name of the work.
The work's name is shown correctly in the iPod display but the chapter's name doesn't appear as it happens in iTunes.
Are there someone that knows a way to get this feature managing the iPod Classic software? or… Can Apple launch an update for iPod able to do it?
Thanks.

iMac 20", Mac OS X (10.5.6), iPod Classic 120 GB

Posted on Mar 22, 2009 2:26 PM

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Mar 23, 2009 4:06 AM in response to Mitch 751

I use the little app "Join Together". This is an Apple Script by Doug Adams and works by Chapter Tool and QuickTime, this both are Apple apps.
This Apple Script works fine for iTunes and in the little window that appears center up, you can see in the first line the name of the work (f.e.: BRAHMS: Piano trio No. 1 in B major Op. 8) and in the second line, alternatively, the artist's (interpreter) name, the album's name and the chapter's (mouvement)name.
So all this information is loosed in iPod. This only shows the work's name in the first line, the artist's name and the album's name. The bar that indicate the long of track sample chapters have as many divisions as the work, but not its names.
I think there must be a way to get that an iPod shows the same information as iTunes or at least I would like, because otherwise, the iPod would be useless for classical music.

Mar 23, 2009 4:50 AM in response to bachlover

I'm a classical music lover as well. It was quite some time before I put rock or anything else in my queue. I have something like 26 days straight of classical and romantic era music in my iTunes. Now, I don't yet have an iPod (seems impossible in this day - getting one soon), but the issue I suppose is an iTunes one. I'm subscribing to this topic to track the answers I hope you get. But alas I have no solution other than greater care than you're already surely taking...

Early on (back in OS9) I wanted to keep my music organized, preferably sortable by composer or opus or type (and work number within type). This would suffice. What I eventually arrived at was a 'taxonomy' that I apply to all things - well almost nothing escapes it. It's not a very techy solution but it has worked for me. What was a nice surprise: when 'smart playlists' came along my method fitted nicely. I have folders of composers, ancient music, concertos, just piano concertos, symphonies, you get the idea.

I noticed that iTunes always would organize things by 'artist' (and in the early days there was no 'composer' category anyway. So, the idea of putting performers in the 'artist' slot went out the window. What use is it really to a classical lover anyway; put those names in the comments, append a mnemonic to the end of the 'album' title if you like. The 'artist' is always the actual composer with me, in rare cases the arranger.

From here it gets lengthy.

I was going to attach a pdf of one of my composer folders, but I don't see a way to do that here. Is there a way I can get it to you? If not fine, but I have to go now. I could return and describe in post my conventions, but honestly it represents work. I understand perfectly if you haven't time or interest - I've been doing this pretty much all along, and can only imagine what it would be like if I hadn't and now had to go over everything... Yuck.

Best wishes.

Mar 23, 2009 5:50 AM in response to field pi

Like Field Pi I use the Composer as the Artist for all classical music. See my recent post on Grouping Tracks Into Albums, in particular the topic One artist, many names. The post covers most of my personal conventions although I insist on Title Case for track names & album titles, replacing "and" with "&", a few standardised abbreviations and numerous other little rules that I'd struggle to list in full

tt2

Mar 23, 2009 6:21 AM in response to bachlover

I am unsure why you are joining tracks; doing so will eliminate the movement names (as you have observed). Since iTunes and the iPod now have gapless playback, even movements that play one into the next should play fine when playing a complete work. If you are trying to shuffle, then I would suggest shuffling by album - shuffling be track is certainly not suited to classical music. By using shuffle by album, you will still hear each album in correct order, will see the movement names (assuming tracks are NOT joined), and still be able to shuffle through your classical collection.

I have a mix of Baroque, Classical, Romantic, and some contemporary works in my library. As far as how they are labeled, I include both composer and performer (or conductor) in the artist field to better differentiate different performances of the same work on the iPod (Vivaldi, A./Christopher Hogwood). Each movement is appropriately labeled.

Mar 23, 2009 7:43 AM in response to bachlover

I also have a large collection of Classical & Opera. I do not use iTunes to convert my CDs to MP3s. I use Exact Audio Copy ( http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/) for that. To retain the gapless play back I rip just the individual tracks to ".wav" files, then use Lame's ( http://lame.sourceforge.net/download.php) gapless encoding to 'join' them together. After that I use Mp3tag ( http://www.mp3tag.de/en/) to tag and order my music the way I want them.

I would also look into these helpful articles about tagging and organizing Classical music on the iPod...

http://www.macworld.com/article/43791/2005/03/tagclass.html

http://www.macworld.com/article/43560/2005/03/classicalipod.html

http://www.mcelhearn.com/?p=347

Apr 13, 2009 3:47 AM in response to GLNHP

First I must apologize because my English is not very good. After I try to explain why join the movements of a work.
I go to take as example a concert of Albinoni: "Concerto a cinque in B flat, Op. 5 No. 1". It is formed by three movementes: 1. Allegro moderato, 2. Adagio and 3. Allegro vivace. Now I take this steps:
1. Codificate every movement as AAC (m4a).
2. Join all with the "Join Together" Apple Script who convert in only one piece with three chapter, every one whith original names (1. Allegro moderato, etc.).
3. When this piece is played in iTunes, the little window of information show in the first line the name of the work: Concerto a cinque…, and in the second line, alternatively, the name of the album, the name of the interpreter (artist) and the name of the movement (chapter).
This is a perfect way for the classic music, but with iPod Classic don't happens the same: only show de work's name in the first line and the album's name in the second, that if it is too long can not be completely.
And I ask me: Why Apple cannot translate the iTunes interface to iPod? Why the second and third lines are statics and don't allow the complet text as the first line do?
I hope that my explain is enough clear now.

Apr 14, 2009 3:10 AM in response to turingtest2

Maybe this is good for iTunes, but not for iPod.
The iPod interface give the option to see the author (composer) from the principal menu. This is a good feature to search a work behind the composer name.
Really the problem isn't to look for a work neither the way to classify all the works contained on the iPod. The problem consist in to see the maxime information of the music that is playing in every moment, as title of the work, movement's name, composer and every interpreter for the work.
We must not forget that in classical music is normal the participation of several important performers in a work. We must think, for example, in the Mozart's Requiem. Here are a lot of interpreter that should appear in the information: One sopran, one alto, one tenor, one bass, the choir, the orchestra and the conductor.
If the text line for artist is not static, we can see the complet information moving across the screen.
I think that this "bug" don't would be difficult to correct if Apple will do it.

Apr 29, 2009 10:37 AM in response to bachlover

As I can see, my problem (perhaps of another one more) isn't ressolved yet.
Really I know that isn't easy because the Apple software doesn't allow it. The way of create only one AAC track split in chapters with help of "JoinTogether" isn't ideal for problems to classified and the other way, stay in mp3 format every movement of a work, doesn't allow see enough information on the screen because the line that show the album name (title of the work) and the artist name (interpreter name) has no movement that allow see the complete text, although this option is allowed from the game "Klondike".
Mrs. developers of Apple: Why not include this feature in the window "Now playing"?

May 22, 2009 3:26 AM in response to bachlover

Really the problem isn't to look for a work neither the way to classify all the works contained on the iPod. The problem consist in to see the maxime information of the music that is playing in every moment, as title of the work, movement's name, composer and every interpreter for the work.
We must not forget that in classical music is normal the participation of several important performers in a work. We must think, for example, in the Mozart's Requiem. Here are a lot of interpreter that should appear in the information: One sopran, one alto, one tenor, one bass, the choir, the orchestra and the conductor.

If you want to record a lot of information about a track you can place this in the Lyrics field. When playing on the iPod pressing the centre Select button a few times will bring this screen into view as long as it has some information. Not a solution to your long title issues I know, but the best I can offer.

tt2

May 22, 2009 12:46 PM in response to bachlover

I have mostly classical music on my iPod and it works just fine for me. You are right, all the nice details about composer, movement, artist, etc are missing from the iPod's screen. It would indeed be nice to have.

But I'm much less concerned with what's displayed on the iPod's screen (with CDs on a Hi-Fi, you get nothing of that sort at all, remember) and more concerned with audio quality (excellent with Apple Lossless) and ease of navigability between my albums. For that, setting up custom playlists and tweaking the fields in each track's Info panel does nearly all of what I want.

May 22, 2009 1:17 PM in response to Király

I have no problem with the sound quality, but when someone make an inversion of more than 200 € searching a solution to store all his music in only one device is with an idea: get, at the same time, the maximal information that shown in the booklet attached to CD, at least the complet name of the composer with birth and death (if is case) dates, the complete name of the work with opus number and tonality, the name of every movement and every interpreter in the record.

Is this asking too much?

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