Classical music on iPod Classic?

I think that iPod software is made for only modern music.
I've tried a lot of ways to organize my classical music in my iPod and none get correct.
The only one is joining the movements (in case of a symphony or a concert) by "Join Together" and set the name as the name of the work.
The work's name is shown correctly in the iPod display but the chapter's name doesn't appear as it happens in iTunes.
Are there someone that knows a way to get this feature managing the iPod Classic software? or… Can Apple launch an update for iPod able to do it?
Thanks.

iMac 20", Mac OS X (10.5.6), iPod Classic 120 GB

Posted on Mar 22, 2009 2:26 PM

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May 22, 2009 1:44 PM in response to bachlover

bachlover wrote:
Is this asking too much?


Apple apparently thinks so, otherwise they would have built in the functionality you are requesting.

Have you formally requested Apple to add this functionality? Nobody at Apple who can implement the functionality you want is reading your posts in this thread.

PS The track title line scrolls. If you put all the information you want into the track title field, it will all be there.

Jun 7, 2009 4:09 AM in response to bachlover

Well, no answer to my suggestion about the iPod Classic interface for classical music.
I did it on may 23th. I'm not waiting for an inmediate solution, but, at least, an answer telling me that Apple take consideration my suggestion for the future…
I don't think that Apple is interesting in this problem. The users that love the classical music, perhaps we are enough important in quantity and/or quality for wake up interest to Apple.
Now, I reiterate my advice in: If you are thinking to buy an iPod Classic for your classical music collection, DO NOT DO IT. Wait to Apple take a solution for the problem.

Message was edited by: bachlover

Jul 6, 2009 2:00 PM in response to bachlover

Apple states on the feedback page:

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Oh, and personally, I do not have any issues with my classical music collection on my iPod, though I do not have (nor do I desire) all of the information you are trying to display on yours. Movement, composer/performer, and composition name is all I have displayed.

Jul 6, 2009 3:27 PM in response to bachlover

I too have always been saddened by the fact that iPod and iTunes, along with the Gracenote database, handle classical music as a second class citizen. So near but yet so far! I developed my own classification system, based mainly on the composer tag, but it is far from perfect. My method is similar, though not identical, to that described in this interesting article: http://www.tunequest.org/on-classical-music-tagging-for-itunes-and-ipod/20060530 /.

Of course, the results don't really show all the information on the iPod but I find I can live with that. I still find the iPod and iTunes great (though flawed) developments for classical music. Now I have found that iTunes also works reasonably seamlessly with Sonos Multi-Room Audio systems, further increasing its value.

A little while back I read somewhere about a new effort to standardise the tagging of classical music. Unfortunately I cannot at the moment remember where; perhaps somebody else can provide a link.

Jul 15, 2009 2:08 PM in response to bachlover

Problems in iPod Classic interface to use with classical music:

1). For use in “Cover Flow” mode is necesary give the composer name in the artist field if desired an acceptable organization.

2). Obviusly, in this way is impossible know the interpreters (artist) names because we have losed the field where you enter this information.

3). In classical music is usual various names in interpreters (artist) names: there are a few cases with only one (Daniel Barenboim, piano) or someone with two (Concentus Musicus Wien · Nikolaus HARNONCOURT, conductor), but if you are a real music lover you’ll like get all iformation possible (Budapesti Kvartett: Josep ROISMAN & Alexander SCHNEIDER, violins · Boris KRYOT, alto · Mischa SCHNEIDER, cello).

4). Also is important details about recording as: Recording: La Chaux-de-Fonds, Switzerland. July 1979.

5). Some of this information can enter in the “lyrics” window. In fact, there are sung works that need this one.

6). The only one way to classify the works in classical music is taking a work as an album and its movements as the “songs” in this album. Example: album +*Concerto a cinque in D minor, for oboe, strings and continuo, Op. 9 No. 2+*, songs: *+I. Allegro e non presto+*, *+II. Adagio+*, *+III. Allegro+*. At first view this isn’t a problem, but if you have only one work of a composer (author), when you view your collection as an album list and open this composer, you can see the songs list (movements), but not the album name (work name).

7). If you use the little app only for Mac “JoinTogether” ([www.dougscripts.com]), you can solve some of these problems. This app join every movements of a work as only one m4a file with chapters (one for each movement, keeping its name) and you can use the work name as the song name. When play this files in iTunes, in the small window above you can see the first line show the work (song) name and the second line show the artist, the album and the chapters names alternatively. This is a good solution for “*+PROKOFIEV: The Complete Symphonies+*” where you can use this data as the album name and, perhaps, is easy to find any name for other cases, but this don’t work for iPod interface because it isn’t able to show the chapters names as iTunes.

This thread have much to talk for the classical music lovers and I hope that all the people that have the same problem *spend a little of its time participate with its opinion until get a response from Apple*.

Jul 16, 2009 12:51 AM in response to bachlover

Dream on, bachlover. I'm afraid that us classical music lovers are left out in the cold and will continue to be so since we are a minute fraction of the user base. And don't ever ever think about getting an iPod Touch for your classical music as the text display is miniscule and, at least for me, unusable. Plus you can only manage your music via syncing. If you have not got the playlist anymore in iTunes then you cannot remove the music from your iPod Touch. A truly ghastly product from Apple and as a long standing Apple advocate I found that very depressing to say.

Jul 16, 2009 3:33 PM in response to bachlover

I agree with virtually everything you say. I have always felt that a proper relational database was needed as the basis for the program, where e.g. an artist could have fields defining surname, other names, instrument, dates, etc. (and a quartet could include fields for its members). All flexible and detailed. I had hoped that the open source development, musicbrainz.org, might bring an improvement but, when I looked a while back, I had the impression that their handling of classical music was little better than what we have just now.

I guess I'll have to write the program myself 🙂 But I fear my knowledge isn't up to it,

Jul 16, 2009 11:20 PM in response to Eric Sprigg

Eric, great minds think alike. I, too, had looked at musicbrainz a while ago and your post prompted me to take another look. I thought I'd try out a search in the current database and looked in the pulldown menu for a composer. What a missed opportunity that project has turned out to be. No composer field. Even if we did have a communal database then for classical music I can't see how it would succeed since different folk will want to enter the data differently.

Jul 17, 2009 1:30 PM in response to bachlover

I am not sure I understand all of this and what it is you want bachlover and also I do not yet have an ipod but I have just uploaded 170 Mozart CD's and 155 Bach CD's (their complete works)to iTunes. I created smart playlists to order them and at the beginning of the Album info I numbered the discs (these were from two huge box sets) so vol 1 goes '1 - 01' '1 - 02' and so on up to '1 - 10' and '1 - 11' and beyond.

By using a 0 before the single digit numbers it is easy to order them and I'm sure you could create many smart playlists ordering the tracks this way.

This would order them but as I don't yet have my ipod I don't know anything about the info shown on the screen. I am assuming that when you sync your music the smart playlists are imported but I may be wrong.

No idea if this would help you or not but thought I'd give it a try just in case.

Jul 18, 2009 6:23 AM in response to Roger Sinden

musicbrainz.org does have a style guide for classical music, where the composer is stored in the artist tag. Ugh! That is style? There are obviously further developments still in progress (with various other links shown on this page) but I am not hopeful that it will produce a more satisfactory solution.

I would assume that this abortion of defining the composer in the artist field comes as a result of the iPod's inability to display the composer field. However, I find it disappointing that this design failure in the iPod should be perpetuated in later software developments. I have always hoped that Apple would one day update the iPod display, providing software which would allow the user to specify which fields should be displayed (e.g. via a preference pane); then any user could end up with a display like bachlover showed earlier in this thread.

The contortions that musicbrainz (and others) have to go through to display data about classical music is also a result, it seems to me, of the fact that the tags used in MP3 files are not structured enough to provide a basis for extracting the required data. This is where I feel that one needs proper database structures, with flexible, hierarchical field definitions and queries.

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