Update on test of iMovie 09 verses FCP

Now that about a have viewed my test videos Z1 and Z2 and it seems that no one has guessed which is from iMovie 09 and FCP: http://exposureroom.com (search for DVC)

So, what does this mean:

1) Since FCP provides the maximum possible quality from FullHD 60i video, if folks can't tell the difference between movies Z1 and Z2 -- the idea that so often posted here that iMovie exports look bad, is shown to be false. Time to stop blaming iMovie 09.

2) The other belief -- that if you switch to iMovie HD or FCE or FCP -- the change will make your videos look good -- is also false. Switching applications is not the solution.

But, what about movie Z3? If Z1 and Z2 look alike -- does Z3 look better, the same, or worse?

Your answer can have a big impact on how you use iMovie 09.

Cheers, author; The Ins and Outs of iMovie 09: Maximum Quality DV and HD

Posted on May 15, 2009 12:57 AM

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May 15, 2009 3:34 AM in response to Steve Mullen

I agree it's not the software. I'd make these points:

1. Most people's problems with iMovie output are because they don't know enough about (a) the program and (b) the issues around video format and production to be able to make and implement the best decisions. Not too surprising, given that the target is beginners.

2. FCP/FCE provides much greater control over the quality and output - +if you know how to use it+. Anyone thinking that they can wave a magic wand over their output by switching is in for headaches (I speak from experience here).

3. Many people quickly find themselves frustrated by iMovie, because they run up against its constraints. To be useful to beginners, it has to be simple, but that makes it limited (yes, I know there are ways that you get get flexible and simple together, but that's clearly not the Apple way here). When you hit that frustration, you have two options. Find an easy alternative to iMovie (don't know whether there is one). Or make the effort to learn Final Cut, and all the other tech stuff you need to be able to control what video you produce. It's not that it's hard, but it takes time.

I think this is a useful exercise - thanks for doing it

May 15, 2009 4:44 AM in response to nick101

I totally agree, but apple has us caught. HD footage does lose quality if you use a banned FX. Whether its kindergarten or not, I like themes and different transitions beyond fade to black and dissolve. The combination of FCE and imovie will help. One can do rough cuts in imovie9 to find footage to edits, but then use FCE XML to put on some final touches such as a purchased theme or different transitions.

So i am a hybrid of 3, I have no real interest in FCE, but I am forced because I like what i can do with imovie9 using all its functionality! I could go back and use imovie6, but I would still have to buy themes and I would lose all of imovie9 and FCE passthrough. The other option is buying a new camcorder that shoots progressive!

So I guess I am in for some pain. If I don't try, I'll never know. If I really truly hate it or not! Whats money anyway! lol

May 15, 2009 11:28 AM in response to nick101

I'm glad you said all this.

What hurts people is Apple has never used iLife as anything more than a good demo for MacWorld. It has never invested in anything more than marketing. It made the change from iMovie 06 to iMovie 08 with nothing more than tutorials which skimmed over everything complicated.

The same for 08 to 09. And, with 8.0.1 Apple sent what folks expected was a bug-fix, but which totally changed the way iM09 works. (I had to do a major re-write of my eBook.) Yet, no communication from Apple. Nothing!

Yet, as a book writer I understand why Apple believes there is no point in writing anything. Far too many people don't read manuals and don't even watch the Apple tutorials. So, there are all these media tools that become more complicated every year, yet neither Apple nor its customers will invest in learning activities.

May 19, 2009 7:34 AM in response to Steve Mullen

All this coming from a real newbie here, so please allow for me stating what might be the obvious.
In my opinion, Z1 and Z2 are very very similar. In Z3, apart from the filetype being .mov rather than .mp4 I feel the picture is degraded. General fuzziness over the whole thing, but shows up most at 1:13 where the lights hang in front of the building, and the blue letters of the building on the right. Also the palm tree on the left.
At 1;47 the building on the left is definitely less clear; however I didn't see any difference in the quality of motion.
Given the almost identical size of these files I'd have to opt for Z1 or Z2.
Dell 2408WFP if that makes any difference

May 19, 2009 2:19 PM in response to jigbobby

Z3 is from iMovie 09 as is Z1. (Z2 is from FCP.) However, I added a few seconds of Black FX at the end of Z1 to create Z3. Adding this one "bad" FX causes iM to downscale all video to 960x540. Which should cause exactly what you all reported -- less clear video.

This is the "cost" Apple wants you to pay if you shoot INTERLACED HD and you want to use all the power of iMovie 09 -- v8.0.1. However, the difference is not huge and for the internet it may not really matter.

Here are some options:

1) Import at LARGE, not FULL. This saves lots of space. You can use all FX and know you can post to the internet without too much quality loss.

2) Import at FULL. For an HQ version, use only "good" FX. For the internet, you can replace the "good" FX with "bad" effects. The obvious issues are:

a) Stabilization is most important for the big screen movies -- but you can't use it. (Which means you need a camcorder with great OIS!)

b) Fancy FX don't compress well and so don't look good on internet video. Yet, this is exactly when you'll be able to use them.

3) Limit yourself to only "good" FX -- which, for many, defeats the reason for iMovie 09.

4) Roll-back to version v8.0.0. Now you can use all FX, but some FX may not look all that great.

5) Shoot 1080p25 or 1080p30. (But, you'll have less smooth motion and you really need to be able to SET the shutter-speed to 1/60th -- which leaves you with Canon camcorders (HDV or AVCHD).

6) Shoot 720p25 or 720p30. The new Digital Still cameras -- except those that shoot AVCHD Lite (Panasonic) and Canon's Motion JPEG. (But, you'll have less smooth motion and you really need to be able to SET the shutter-speed to 1/60th -- which leaves out Sony and Casio.)

7) Shoot 720p50 or 720p60. Panasonic's $1500 GH1 -- not yet available -- is the only one I know of. Panasonic's expensive AVCCAM camcorders likely will not work with iMovie.

8) Convert 1080i to 1080p. You can use Toast to go directly from AVCHD to AIC, but it takes a very long time!!! (That's why I didn't document it in my eBook.)

Bottom-line -- if you want it all, the only camcorder you can use with iMovie 09 is a Canon. And, guess which is the only HD brand Apple sells in its stores?

May 19, 2009 3:13 PM in response to Steve Mullen

Steve,
A direct question for you.
I have read your book and have followed almost all of your posts but I still have a question.
Since I only shoot is SD DV, my impression is that I can use any and all the FX in iMovie 09 and not lose any quality.
Am I correct? if not please help me out.
Thanks again for the great information that you pass out 😉

Chuck

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