Logic & EW Goliath

What is Goliath?

Er, well, not wanting to sound picky, but that's a link to a shop…!

Er, well ... seeing as you have internet capabilities why not search it out on line and not in the OP's thread? LOL.

The opening line was, "Is anyone using Goliath successfully in Logic?"

Just having a laugh here so don't get out of sorts. I just find these types of responses a bit odd and funny.

BTW ... I just typed “Goliath plug in” into google. In 5” I found out what Goliath is. I usually do this every time I read something on this forum I’ve never heard of. It keeps me in the loop without wasting the OP’s time.

🙂

Very droll, but the point is that although I don't use Goliath I might still be able to help with general principles (for example, it seems likely that the problem is due to the size of the plug-in, & there are quite a few general purpose tips for dealing with that).

People don't generally say what their XR-79 actually is, which is okay as far as it goes, but of course it's better if they can give a brief hint (interface/sampler/rifle), along with a description of what other stuff they have, their OS, & their version of Logic. The OP has done nothing wrong as such, but posting a link to a shop is not normally considered the best Forum etiquette. No insult intended to you, Axium.

I like to help, but I don't like to follow links or perform searches if I don't have to. (I will if I must, of course…)

Some people don't like bananas, & some people don't like adverts.

Sorry about the digression, Axium. Neither of us seem to have anything to say about your plug-in, except that it looks pretty resource-hungry. That being the case, there are a few things you could try to prevent the crashing, but it looks like you've already tried lots of different configurations — in which case, it may just be a not very well-written piece of software. Are there any bug reports on the manufacturer's website with respect to Logic?

Speaking of droll, "Sorry about the digression, Axium." is so much better than,
"Er, well, not wanting to sound picky ...".

Your are very willing to help I've noted from reading most of the post over the past couple of years. This is a good thing.

"Neither of us seem to have anything to say about your plug-in". Exactly. I agree totally.

🙂 Dee

Dee

It's good to agree (although disagreement can be useful too).

Axium, if you've put up with this so far, I see that you say you've used three different interfaces. What happens if you disable your current interface (& as many other plug-ins & drivers as you can) & just use Core Audio? Does Goliath still crash when you change presets?

Is it possible that one of your presets is causing the problem (IOW, is there one particular preset that seems to be involved)? Can you temporarily restore Goliath to a 'don't load anything' condition? Can you delete your Goliath preferences (back them up first, of course) & see if that fixes the problem?

Then there is the question of Logic running Songs (perhaps from a template you frequently use) that might conflict with Goliath.

Try to get everything into a minimal state — a new Song from one of Apple's supplied templates, no plug-ins, no drivers, deleted preferences… if even then you get crashes, we'll have to suspect Goliath itself.

Of course, my question above about known bugs still stands.

I'll tell you what — this Goliath sounds great. Exactly what I'm looking for; loads of sounds & therefore no need for any more external MIDI gear, & it doesn't seem too expensive. Except I only know of one person using it, & he says it crashes a lot (that's you, obviously!).

So now I am almost as keen as you to find out what other people think of it…

Come on, guys; who's got experience with Goliath?

I've been looking into this a bit more, & it seems that this software requires a key. Keys often mean trouble… that would be the first place to look, I reckon. If the software calls on the key to see if it is authorised to run, & it hits any kind of obstacle on the way, it could well crash — just as it was loading (as you describe).

There is a support site here: [Support|http://www.soundsonline.com/support> — but from the sound of it, you've already used that.

Good thinking. Meanwhile, I've noted in the FAQs that they are really keen to stress that this is an intensely demanding application, & that consequently if you aren't using an 8-core Mac with 8Gb of RAM you need to chose the scaled-back options. I also found this:

_Other Performance Tips:_

+We recommend using multiple instances of Play in your host, rather than filling one instance up with 16 instruments before moving to the next instance. The reason for this is that most Sequencer Hosts assign processing on a per-plugin basis, meaning that one plugin (regardless of how many instruments are loaded into that one plugin) generally get assigned to one processor. If you are using a multi-processor machine (such as a Quad Core) than utilizing multiple plugin instances of Play will balance the processing load more evenly among your processors, resulting in smoother performance.+

Oh, & I forgot to ask — are you running any Antivirus software? It might not like the way Goliath asks questions via Logic regarding the iLok key…

No, Leopard doesn't include Antivirus; you'd have to set about that deliberately. (So don't!)

Have you considered permissions problems?
+Applications > Utilities > Disc Utility+
…verify permissions on your discs, & if necessary, repair them.