Shure X2U usb adapter (XLR to USB) for microphones - very low volume

I've just bought a Shure Sm57 and X2U usb adapter - however when I plug it into Garageband there are no level controls (understandably) but even with full gain turned up on the adapter the levels are so low as to be unusable. I need to be right on top of the mic for any pick up (about three or four green lights on the bar) and as soon as I turn my head or go more than two inches from the mic, everything drops off.

I've tried the mic with a stereo adapter and put it through my Griffin iMic and seem to have similar problems, but when hooking the mic up to a proper pre-amp kit on a stage, the sound was delicious!

Anyone using one of these adapters, anyone with a problem?

Do I need some sort of powered pre-amp? I doubt it the manual advises just to plug it straight into the USB.

I'm running 10.5.7 so no need to run the drivers (they wouldn't let me anyway!)


Help!

Mac Pro 2x2Ghz 1Gig, Mac OS X (10.5.7), MacBook Pro 2.2 ghz, iMac G4 1Ghz and 12" iBook G3 running 10.4.11

Posted on May 27, 2009 10:38 AM

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Jun 4, 2009 6:42 PM in response to jimmy2sticks

jimmy2sticks wrote:
Hi Matt,

Glad to hear you are a big fan!


How could I not be?! The classics are classics, and the newish condensor mics offer great bang for the buck! I'm even eyeing some new Shure earphones as an early X-Mas gift to myself. 🙂

If the gain is all the way up, and the OP can get it to go into the red on the tri-colored indicator, there is actually nothing wrong here.


As I read his post, it seems like he's unable to get more than a little green, let alone red.

The X2u is optimized so that you have enough gain in the mic pre to optimize the signal-to-noise ratio.


You are losing me! I'm not sure what it means to say the X2u is optimized so that you have enough gain in the mic pre to optimize the s/n ratio. Any mic pre with sufficient power can be used to optimize the s/n ratio. How is this "optimized to optimize" the ratio?

Doesn't it boil down to either a mic pre has enough power to amplify the signal (and a low enough noise floor) to produce a good s/n ratio... or it doesn't? Is there something different about the X2U in this regard?

If you record this signal, you can then adjust the gain (level) in the track post recording. As we all know, it is ideal to get the loudest signal to track, but in this case, with 40 dB, your signal-to-noise ratio will stay the same. Meaning that anything past 40 dB will have the same result as adjusting the gain post recording. Does this make sense?


I'm sorry. It doesn't make sense to me!

I may be misunderstanding you, but it sounds like you're saying that even it the preamp were to have more than 40 dB gain, it would still not be able to generate a better s/n ratio than simply recording a weak output and boosting it in post. Why would that be true? Why would the X2U be exempt from standard gain staging practice that applies to every other preamp?

I appreciate your participation in the thread and I think the X2U is a great idea. Everyone I know who knows about it says "what a great idea!" But I don't understand how your explanation explains away what sounds to me like the device is likely underpowered.

He's plugging in the mic, he's turning the gain up all the way, and he's barely able to get a signal register on its own meters or at its output.

Either he's doing something wrong, something's defective, or the device is unable to provide sufficient power. What other explanation could there possibly be?

Jun 5, 2009 3:36 PM in response to jimmy2sticks

Hi folks, sorry for not dipping back in here, and thanks for all the extra info.

Just to clarify.

The LED indicator on the X2U - I can make this go red, but only when I;m right on top of the mic.

To reiterate - when using the monitor built into the X2U I can be sitting about 12 to 18 eighteen inches from the mic and it will pick up my breathing! - admittedly the LED's don't light up at that distance. Which makes me think the Mic and the X2u are working fine.

But at this distance, nothing is being recorded in GarageBand. Which makes me think it's the drivers - or something on the Mac end of things.

This is my second Shure mic and X2U, the SM57 was replaced with the SM58 and a new X2U - but I still have the same problem.

I'm i wrong in my supposition that I should be able to sit six inches from the mic, speak in a normal voice for a podcast, and have it record everything I say?

Thank you all so much for your feedback, it's been gratefully received.

Jun 5, 2009 5:24 PM in response to Dominic O'Rourke 1970

Dominic O'Rourke 1970 wrote:
The LED indicator on the X2U - I can make this go red, but only when I;m right on top of the mic.

To reiterate - when using the monitor built into the X2U I can be sitting about 12 to 18 eighteen inches from the mic and it will pick up my breathing! - admittedly the LED's don't light up at that distance. Which makes me think the Mic and the X2u are working fine.


That tells you that the mic and X2U monitor is working fine, but doesn't necessarily indicate the output of the X2U, which could still be anemic.

But at this distance, nothing is being recorded in GarageBand. Which makes me think it's the drivers - or something on the Mac end of things.


The mac is just a hard drive with its arms open. When you record, it's level agnostic. It's the responsibility of the external hardware to provide a strong enough signal. In my experience the only time a driver will matter for that is when it's for software controlling levels on external hardware in lieu of twirling a physical knob.

This is my second Shure mic and X2U, the SM57 was replaced with the SM58 and a new X2U - but I still have the same problem.

I'm i wrong in my supposition that I should be able to sit six inches from the mic, speak in a normal voice for a podcast, and have it record everything I say?


You should be able to do that.

Here's why it sounds to me like the preamp is the culprit.

The X2U claims only 40 dB which is not a lot. Furthermore, I find that among budget preamps, the specs are often overly optimistic. Phantom power which should be 48 volts turns out to be less; preamps that claim to provide 50 dB or higher of gain also turn out to provide less.

While gain specs can be comparable between my own high end and low end gear, I sometimes find that when I plug a mic into some low end gear, I need to twirl the knob all the way to the top to get a hot enough signal. On the high end gear, I twirl the knob to the middle and the signal is plenty hot. This isn't true for every piece of low end gear I have, but I've experienced it enough to be used to it. Like... that again!

Which is why when you describe your lack of strong signal going into the computer from a diminutive, low-cost interface that doesn't claim much gain to begin with (even while providing decent monitor levels), it really sounds like... that again!

If I were you, I'd try and compare it with a more substantial interface (beg, borrow, steal, buy?) and see how that works by comparison.

Thank you all so much for your feedback, it's been gratefully received.


I appreciate your feedback. I'm interested in this thing as well. It seems like a really elegant solution for plugging a mic into a computer. Endlessly useful, if it delivered the goods. However, I've yet to see reviews of it or even general internet feedback to get a sense of if it does.

Hopefully you'll be able to resolve your issues. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to plug an SM58 into a decent interface and podcast your heart out from a comfortable distance to the mic.

However it shakes out, good luck!

Jun 18, 2009 2:57 PM in response to Lust

I'd recommend you try the CEntrance MicPort Pro. It's got the lowest noise of all similar units, due to the 24-bit converter inside. Works well on the Mac. By now, pretty much a favorite among voice and radio/news guys. CEntrance uses proprietary design to get that level of quality, while everyone else uses an inexpensive USB headset chip, hence compatilibty issues.

http://www.centrance.com/products/mp/

Good luck!

Jul 8, 2009 5:44 AM in response to Radio voice

I have to share the frustration by some of the posters on this thread. I have really struggled to get any decent gain from any of the systems I have used. As per previous writers; good level on the mic, crap level on the system

I have tried an AKG C414 with M-Audio Fast Track Pro. The gain has to be at max to get any reasonable level
I have tried a Shure SM58 with Centrance MicroPort Pro. A great setup but have to be close to max to get good gain.
I have tried the SM58 with Apogee Duet and have to be 60 out of 75 to get good gain (but the recording is excellent.)

I have tried both USB ports, tried Fire Wire and powered system but still no joy.

I have taken the SM58/Centrance combo to the Apple store and tried on new MacBook Pro and Mac Pro. Same issue Lots of gain button to max before anything worked.

So I ruled out the mics, the computer hardware and the pre-amps, and the only thing remaining is the operating system software.

This is frustrating as I read folks like Chris Breen getting excellent results from these combos and other friends with older Macs getting excellents results too.

Any suggestions on what to do next?

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