Success, I tried in good 3g reception area, no change, so back at home I reset all the network fields, rebooted, then re entered all the data, rebooted, and this time it works, and this is in a non-3g location. I can only assume that something was stuck in one of the fields, I certainly overtyped several times, but clearing them has done the trick.
many thanks for the input, it really helped.
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