Having the same output volume level on all tracks!

I'm trying to have all the tracks that i recorded sounding with the same volume level. I don't want some songs sounding lower or louder than others ....... (ALL OF THEM THE SAME), except for the fades in/out. I thought of using the adaptive limiter but not so sure about that. Any suggestions!
ps. I thought of starting a new thread since i didn't find my answer.

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Posted on Apr 7, 2010 10:10 AM

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Apr 10, 2010 12:21 PM in response to noeqplease

Dude, since when posting comments on a public forum became a sort of "applying for a job on the web" where i have to check on the spelling and grammar. Sound like a nerd or better yet a geek to me. I get it that these forums can be entertaining sometimes like the picture posted above, but you need to work on that. Do U have friends? Don't be mad at me if your girl left u alone with your cat.
ps. i looked at your website, and it looks that you placed the mixing board in the kitchen. Let me guess, you use pots and dishes to create new sound effects? For real i'm trying to learn since you the expect engineer. What do u think if i place a mike stand to record in the toilette. Just to get that extra sound when i flush the toilette full of your bs?
ps. Sorry for the "i'm" and "U". At the end what matters is that this forum can amuse people right? jajajajajajajajajajajajaja

Apr 10, 2010 12:42 PM in response to King Solo

It's not applying for a job, it's asking for help. That is, you ask people in the know to stop what they do and help you instead, and for free.
Now. If the question you want answered is spelt like from a fifteen year old with dyslexia, or littered with l33tsp33k Or OtHeR ObNoXiOtIeS seemingly designed to make it even harder to communicate, then your already slim chances of being read, understood and answered by the above mentioned folks reduce to zero. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Nothing.
If you can't put in the effort to write without errors, then a) chances are high that the facts you try to convey aren't free of error either, so no valid assessment can be made and b) why should anyone else put in any effort if even you can't. It's your friggin' question after all.

Since this thread is going in circles for quite a while now, I assume the actual 'problem' as such is solved, right ?

Christian

Apr 10, 2010 3:48 PM in response to tobacco_slammers

Well, I just finished to create a demo cd using my vinyls, mixer and an interface. Because i only had one turntable available, i had to record several audio files in different tracks. It is for DJing, so that means that all tracks are synchronized by bpm as well. If I had both turntable I would have probably recorded the all project in one track, and adjusted the EQ straight from the mixer, as well as the meter volume. I had no choice but doing it this way. I'm going to add the fades in/out at the end/beginning of tracks, so it won't clip or sound distorted.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2783/4508774368e979f75605b.jpg

I used adaptive lim before, and also adjusted the faders of single channel in other different software as well, but i really wanted to know if there was a way to have them with same output in one shot. I know it's called "mastering" this techniques, all i want was to have the job done in one shot. Unfortunately, some vinyls that i have are very old, and we all know how low of volume were pressed.

Apr 10, 2010 4:14 PM in response to christianobermaier

King Solo wrote:
i'm not trying to adjust the the fader,

Well, you should though.

ps. you mean control - shift to adjust the fader right?

No. I mean move the plastic thingy with the cable on it so that the arrow pointer on the computer screen comes in very close proximity to one of these buggers here:



Then, press your index finger on the plastic thingy and keep holding it down. Now, with the finger still pressed, move the plastic thingy towards or away from you. This will change the volume so you like it more. Once you like it, lift your index finger from the plastic thingy. Repeat this for all tracks.

Christian

I can take you seriously when you write such things like that. If i start a thread is obvious that i'm not a professional engineer and i'm trying to learn. But i can't accept the fact when someone is trying to be funny instead of help, posts these messages "If the question you want answered is spelt like from a fifteen year old with dyslexia, or littered with l33tsp33k Or OtHeR ObNoXiOtIeS seemingly designed to make it even harder to communicate, then your already slim chances of being read, understood and answered by the above mentioned folks reduce to zero. Nada. Zip. Zilch". If the spelling looks from a fifteen year old, then guess what? You act like a fifteen year old. If you want to be professional, then be professional about it! If you tried to help and the person doesn't understand, then let it go. You're wasting my time and other people's time that are trying to help, cause i don't feel like checking this forum just to see your messages. I get it the baby picture was funny, but now you're really boring me. I guess you ain't got nothing else to do. Fortunately, not everybody thinks like you. Move on, life's short.

Apr 10, 2010 4:31 PM in response to King Solo

Based on that image you shared, if I'm understanding you correctly, what you want to do to make all the levels (somewhat) similar is to adjust the individual track fader/volume level(s). The thing with that 0.0 control on it. Aka a fader...or even a (virtual) pot (Potentiometer).

These adjustments can all be automated as well.

I wouldn't use an adaptive limiter plug-in, but I like the dynamics typically in LP audio. That discrimination is not really needed in a large crowded room with a PA driving the sound.

If you're a DJ, surely you've used track volume controls on a physical hardware based mixer...yes?

Apr 11, 2010 1:10 AM in response to King Solo

King Solo wrote:
It is for DJing, so that means that all tracks are synchronized by bpm as well.


So, we have discovered that what you are trying to do is produce a dj mix of some tracks that you have on vinyl.

Firstly, all tracks do not have to be the same bpm, this depends on the type of djing that you are doing and it is really not neccessary to record all of your vinyl at the same bpm. I would advise against doing this if you are going to be using your vinyls to make digital copies of your tracks for further use.

Secondly, what you are trying to do with logic here can be done but this is a very awkward way of doing it and there are much better tried and tested methods for producing your dj mix.

What you have done already is a good start. You have recorded the tracks that you want into logic. Now it's time to leave logic alone and try another few pieces of software.

1. Ableton Live - Ableton is designed specifically for what you are trying to achieve here and is much more suited to producing a dj mix than logic

2. Mixmeister Fusion - This is also a great piece of software and allows you to plan mixes and make adjustments prior to using them

There are other programs out there but these are the ones I'm familiar with and I personally use Mixmeister for both live and post production use.

Hope this helps.

Bryan

Apr 11, 2010 2:49 AM in response to fuzzynormal

I kind of did but it wasn't the same as mixing with two turntables and adjusting the volume from the mixer hardware. I had an apogee duet connected to the mixer which not only i was using it to record, but also to listen to the audio file recorded in order to mix the following songs. Whenever I was hitting the rec button from logic, the recorded track was very distorted, and I needed it to be played in the background so i could mix the next one. On the other end, I could also listen to the duet while I'm recording without the sound being distorted, but only if I have the knob of the headphone switched from "master" to "Cue". The only problem with it is that I can't use the main crossfader from the mixer. I know it sounds weird, but unfortunately I had the situation where I couldn't have the sound coming out the speakers, so I only could use my headphone and this was my only way of doing it.
When I convert analog to digital I always use adaptive which works great for me. It allows me to boost the sound, so later I can use the audio file with my digital DJ software "serato" But in this case I'm just concerned of having a demo cd that would sound decent. I'm not expecting to have the best sound since it's going to be converted in mp3, probably in a lower bit rate cause I have to upload it to web page for download. But at least I want to avoid to have a big difference in volume change when it plays.

I will try to play with the faders i guess since it's not so difficult.

ps. The Automation seems like a good as well idea if i want to adjust some parts of the audio instead of the all file. I give that also a try, thanks!

I know I'm not a genius, but this is the best way to learn by asking questions.

Apr 11, 2010 3:21 AM in response to tobacco_slammers

They don't have the same bmp, but they're similar. That means I adjusted the pitch control from the turntable to obtain a blend mixing. Same as a live set or you're out somewhere and you hear a DJ playing, some songs are cut or "blend" and the DJ is trying to keep the same beat matching. That was basically what I did for my demo. I'm not trying to use the audio files for future use. When I do that, I only use a track, after recording an audio file and adding adaptive lim, I bounce it and than delete the audio file on the track and remove the adaptive, so I can start recording a new audio file in the same track as well for future use.

I heard great things about Ableton Live and there's a possibility that I will buy one day, but right now I can't afford it. Many people told me the software is good for DJing, but since I have logic pro 8 I want to take the advantage of learning to the fullest. I would like to start doing some productions and mixing as well, and this is one of the best software out there. To be honest, I don't feel comfortable jumping to another application if I'm not familiar with what I have already because it would confuse me, but thanks though.

Apr 11, 2010 4:16 PM in response to King Solo

King Solo wrote:
Dude, since when posting comments on a public forum became a sort of "applying for a job on the web" where i have to check on the spelling and grammar. Sound like a nerd or better yet a geek to me. I get it that these forums can be entertaining sometimes like the picture posted above, but you need to work on that. Do U have friends? Don't be mad at me if your girl left u alone with your cat.
ps. i looked at your website, and it looks that you placed the mixing board in the kitchen. Let me guess, you use pots and dishes to create new sound effects? For real i'm trying to learn since you the expect engineer. What do u think if i place a mike stand to record in the toilette. Just to get that extra sound when i flush the toilette full of your bs?
ps. Sorry for the "i'm" and "U". At the end what matters is that this forum can amuse people right? jajajajajajajajajajajajaja


:lol:

You must be under 25 to write like this.

I will no longer read your posts. Especially when they are unreadable.

"Learn to Communicate Properly."

Thank you for calling me a Nerd and a Geek, I am now feeling a lot better about myself. I thought I was on the wrong path but your naming me officially a Nerd and a Geek, just makes me want to dance. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Cheers

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