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27-inch / 27" iMac Random Shut down

SPECS:____________________________________________________________________________
• 27" 2.8 GHz Intel Core i7 / 8gig / 1TB
• OS 10.6.3 (about to update to 10.6.4)
• All firmware updates have been applied according to software update
• 3 external drives: 1-320 gig 800fw / 1-TB USB 2.0 / 1-500gig USB 2.0

INFORMATION:____________________________________________________________________

I've been running with this configuration ( 3 extra drives) since approximately December with no issues. Out of the blue... only running Aperture and Safari - my iMac JUST SHUTS off- WITHOUTwarning. It acted as though I was running a MacBook and the battery going dead/asleep. That's how random and sudden it shut down - NO WARNING. I did have the iMac asleep for about three hours before coming back to it to start working again when it shut down, but it should have even been cool.

I only started reading around on the web to see of other incidents after this random shut down this evening, but I can't find anything specific. I've found A LOT of similar things - all seemingly related to "HEAT."

And heat seems to be a certain issue recently - in the last day or two. Today I noticed my top back side to be hot, which isn't uncommon, however, it became so hot I really wasn't able to keep my hand on the top back. I've also noticed A LOT of spinning beach balls, and lots of processor delay! Heat??

There are NO energy saver pref's set to automatically shut it down. The power was and is firmly set. There are no network settings, nor access to the iMac to have it shut down. It is not shared with anyone on the network.

SUMMARY:___________________________________________________________________________

• Today, I grabbed a couple temp / monitor widgets and am trying to watch the data. All components seem to be at/around/below 140 degrees F with ambient air at 77 degrees. I don't know numbers, but that all seems reasonable.
• Going to update to OS 10.6.4 (doubt that's it!!)
• I'm going to run the hardware test from my disc to see if ANYTHING. 8-p
• AND... I'm going to call Apple to set up a case. It's still full under warranty, and I have 2 more years of AppleCare on it. But there's been too many things pointing to hardware to call this a software issue.

I've dodged all the display issues with my iMac, but now.. I'm a bit hacked knowing how much I spent on this thing, with the initial DELAYS I went through, ordering it before it had even been released!

?? QUESTION ??_____________________________________________________________________

So, has anyone else been having this issue, heard of a solution, seen anything on Apple's website of known issues ??

Barry
( Grumbling bout my Mac)

Which one of twelve??, Mac OS X (10.5.6), ever hear Newton?!! ;-) One of those, too!

Posted on Jun 22, 2010 8:59 PM

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Jul 25, 2012 7:30 PM in response to oilersrock99

after 4 visits with a local tech certified apple fellow I brought in pictures of my messed up screen

he sent them off to apple ( Canada ) and I also phoned and using the same work order number I requested/ demanded they replace my computer

they complied and I actually got the latest iMac and added a few things in to boot

don't be too nice but don't be an *******

be firm and demand satisfaction

it's your money and time and livelihood

hope people resolve their problems

regards

tm

Jul 25, 2012 7:43 PM in response to MichelPM

@MichelPm: I hope your post wasn't an attempt to gain more forum points? I have no points, but I can assure you, as a Mac user/owner of 25 years, and past, part time Mac consultant - I'm very aware of the hazards of the vicious "dust bunnies." However, this isn't a case of heat and I wouldn't want anyone reading this forum string to be mislead believing it is.


As in - blowing dust around inside of your Mac every six months. That's completely an environmental thing. Sure.. maybe... if you've got cats running around all over your Mac, or if you live in a dust bowl, but hardly every six months is necessary. Even so... only vacuum.


Further your assessment - in just my most recent post I had mentioned I had the video card replaced.... .just three weeks ago. When I had an onsite repair done, there were no "dust bunnies." ;-) Besides... it's never good to just "blow" dust and debris around further into the system - but rather vacuum, as you mentioned, but I would ONLY suggest vacuum.


I can appreciate your efforts to be helpful - but you'd be wrong on almost nearly all accounts of your assessment regarding heat, at least with this string and model, as if you would note: this sting is in regards to the 27" quad core, i7 (first revision) not the i5 nor dual core. I am aware of the various heat monitoring programs, and fan control programs. It's how I was able to ascertain the temperatures I did in the past, as I did with iStats.


As I've said continuously since I began this post two years ago ... just as @oilesrock99 mentioned... I've had the artifacting effect (just as you described) from nearly out of the box. I actually never made note of this issue to Apple until several months ago because I had first long believed it to be normal, possibly caused by some application startup extension or something.


Just as @oilersrock99 mentioned, I too,k had major issues only after 3 - 5 months, so although heat is associated with "whatever" issue there is - it's not the cause. This is something that Apple has already agreed on. Early on with my issue - "data capture" of my system showed kernel panic attacks, some of which, yes, resulted from heat, but NOT the cause.


I'm sure I when my video card was replaced I received the same video card, maybe possibly a different revision? I've not bothered to check because Apple will usually replaces with same part, but at any rate - I'm still running snow leopard, same OS that came on the machine. (well snow-leopard) There may be a hardware and software issue combo - but it is not due to any software, video card incompatibility. And I refuse to upgrade to whacky lion. Im' not even sure about Mt. Lion which just came out.


As for now... since the repairs, I've had misc. issues... the same I've had. The heat sometimes still persists, but is better with a wipe of the HD and clean install, but even then - it's still there, and doesn't seem to be for any particular reason. I might be doing some heavy photography editing and I might hear the fans kick up a notch (sometimes) but at the same time... I might be just doing a few things, not heavy processor intensive, and have the fans kick up.


So there's no rhyme nor reason, and why I've said I've had Apple techs tell me almost in the same breath, "it seems it's hardware, but it's not... it seems it's software - but it's not. Again... I seriously think Apple has no idea what the gremlin issues are about. I've had Apple engineers - not techs - the kind in the labs, working on my case, and I've not heard anything even definitive from them.


But at least and at best - I want to make sure to mention again in this string I began two years ago... there has been nothing difinitive from Apple tier 2 techs, and Apple engineers pointing to any kind of heat issues with these crazy acting iMacs.

Jul 25, 2012 7:48 PM in response to oilersrock99

@oilersrock - the only reason I've continued working with Apple phone support has been (1) convenient, (2) I've been only dealing with Tier 2 support for quite some time. HOWEVER... maybe that's why I've not gotten anywhere. I'm surprised with the number of your visits. That's just visits and not repairs though is it?


And yes, I'm a photog, and this issue caused me to be late on two client projects and made me completely lose another project! What's this (he he) "rental" program you're talking about? Buying a new iMac and returning it when yours is fixed? Does the Apple store have a 30 day return policy or something? I usually buy from Apple online direct or an AASP (reseller).

Jul 25, 2012 7:51 PM in response to Berry with an A

I have to chime in, but was wishful that there was a solution. As anyone can go back and read, I bought RAM to fill up the iMac's capacity (4 sticks), but the machine suddenly turned off as soon as an intensive process started.


My solution was to remove a stick and run with only three, and that solved the problem.


I agree, not a dust issue. Also, I don't think it is a heat issue either, but it can run hot. I think it and likely a bug they know about and wish that Apple would solve it.


With all the activity on the thread, thought it was alspmost time to put that fourth stick back in.

Jul 25, 2012 7:58 PM in response to Berry with an A

@Berry - All of my visits included "repairs." The first time I took it in they reinstalled the OS and gave it back to me. The 2nd time I took it in they took out my 2 Gskill sticks and gave it back to me. The 3rd time I took in they replaced the logic board and gave it back to me. We'll see what happens with this 4th time.


The phone support tech I talked to (I've been dealing with both in-store and in person Apple people simultaneously) mentioned the next step would be to erase everything and bring software back one at a time and test it all out then. This is obviously a bit ridiculdous as I'd need access to at least half a dozen programs right away to continue my work, and there is no way to replicate the restarts I've been having. It is utterly random - with the one constant being graphics intensive work - whether it be in Aperture, iMove, or watching movies or playing games. It's never restarted itself while I've only been browsing on the internet or when it's been idle.

That's why I was sure it was the LB, but now I'm at a complete loss.


According to the Apple Canada website, the return policy is 14 days. Its the same at Futureshop. I actually worked for Apple for a few months about 4 years ago inside a Futureshop store, and I know their policies fairly well. It would not be difficult for me to do that at one of their stores. I feel bad doing it, but I feel like I almost have no other option unless they can give me a loaner.

Jul 25, 2012 8:05 PM in response to Paul G.

@Paul G.


Believe me, as the person who created/started this string - I WISH it were over. I can however, tell you, as I've also discussed in some depth with Tier 2 techs, that memory is also not the issue.


I've read all the posts on the "memory" aspect. One aspect has been people swearing that it's the type, that it's the amount, configuration, not possible with 16 gigs.


I've had issues come and go before I upgraded and I've had issues after I upgraded. I have 16 gigs, and memory has not been a factor causing issues. I realize that doesn't help. It confounds me as well, and the whole reason why I don't think Apple really knows of any solution either.

Jul 25, 2012 8:10 PM in response to oilersrock99

I hate to tell you @oilersrock99 - you've had only one repair... the logic board. Reinstalling OS isn't hardware, and even taking out memory (I'm assuming thats the GSkill sticks you're referring to?) not even that counts as a hardware repair.


I'll check store policies, but I may consider the "rental program" if Apple leaves me out on a lerch.


Im sorry my friend, but according to Apple's standards - you've got AT LEAST two more repairs before they'll even start considering replacement, and this comes from recent knowledge, but more so as a former Apple Customer Relations representative for nearly a year.

Jul 25, 2012 8:12 PM in response to oilersrock99

guys

I have been through almost all the scenarios mentioned in this thread

I have been a Mac user since day one of apple

while I admire your willingness to help apple trouble shoot in the end it's likely not to your benefit

I still had coverage on my warranty with one year left

I got on the phone

I told them their product didn't work and I got myself one that did from them

I did have the cooperation of a tech who worked on the machine and support of some images of fragmenting screen

I explained the. ariations on heating problems and shutdown

ask for the techs manager

go up the chain and get a

machine that works

sorry for being so blunt

but it's your time money and energy

I am in awe at the patience some of you possess in regards to apple and this problem

regards

Jul 25, 2012 8:20 PM in response to oilersrock99

Could still be heat related issue.

iMac's IMO run waay too hot to be a good thing.

Never had a Mac that run as hot as these new iMac's run.

Heat is the enemy of computer components. The heat may or may not seem high to some people but the heat levels from iMac's are enough to slowly cause component issues/failures.

CPU, GPU and HD failures occur more often from excessive, prolonged heat.

It like you are slow cooking the insides and components of your iMac over not that long a period of time.

I run apps SMC Fan Control and iStat to monitor internal temps and to ramp up the iMac's internal fans to help cool down and drop temps. in my iMac.

I, also, use a small fan blowing behind my iMac on the iMac's back panel, blowing on the area that gets the warmest/hottest.

All of these seem to work to keep the iMac's heat issue down to, at least, more acceptable levels.Q

Jul 25, 2012 8:20 PM in response to tmolnar

@tmolnar - bluntness is MUCH appreciated. I've been an Apple user/owner, right behind you, some 25 years.


I realize I've been going at this all wrong. I'm actually quite tired of it, and you've more inspired me to be more aggessive. I did try to go through CR channels (aggressively) as well, but actually working on that Apple team myself at one time - I should have known what to expect.


I got EVERY line FROM THE BOOK, literaly, or at least from my former CR training - and I was almost offended by getting the lines - although I should have been, because I SHOULD have realized it's what I would get. I did it to myself. I knew what I was getting myself into!


I just needed a BLUNT slap in the face. THANKS


I will ask @tmolnar: when you say you got on the phone... who are you referring to? Apple 800, or one of your local Apple stores?

Jul 25, 2012 8:31 PM in response to MichelPM

@MichelPM: Although I can possibly appreciate your willingness to help - for the sake of misguided, misinformation, I'll respectfully disagree with you on the heat issue itself.


Unless you have something actual substantial to point to - showing info on this specifici issue - other than your "IMO"? Possible another apple forum thread, an Apple tech comment, a doc from Apple's support docs?


Yes... heat is an enemy of computer componenets. Heck it's an enemy to car parts, too, but I wouldn't accept a blanket statement based on assumption.


Again... a note as a reminder with this thread:

This issue involves the i7 quad core iMac.


Heat is an issue to any component, no matter what it involves, car tire, computer component, an egg in a frying pan, but just because the egg is fying - doesn't mean the heat is the cause. It's not - it's the affect.


Heat is a consequential affect of something else going on in the Mac. The heat is only there because the stoves turned on. Just turn off the burner thats burning your egg.

Jul 25, 2012 8:34 PM in response to Berry with an A

I had my machine to the local tech 3 or 4 times

he couldn't figure it out

I phoned apple Canada at that point

they had the techs reports available of course

I expressed my frustration

pointed out that even their own trained technician

who also called upon more expert techs

had no idea on the problem

the apple mananger proceeded too offer me a replacement


I really like to know what's going on with my computers

and I don't mind trying stuff

but this was the first time I was totally stymied and equally cheesed off


mb people won't have the success I did but I know just continuing to figure it out

while my work suffered was NOT an option


the whole process was over about 2 months


in the end I just wasnt going to be a victim even if apple was not compliant


really it is their problem not ours

anyway that's my story on this

regards

27-inch / 27" iMac Random Shut down

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