Font management

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Font management

I have been using Suitcase for font management for many years — currently using Fusion 6, 7, and 9 on 3 different systems with Adobe Creative Suite (versions 5.5, 6, and CC2015). I follow the fonts best practices book that Extensis provides, and the instructions provided by Kurt Lang, both very helpful. But on upgrade to High Sierra, I am finding long lists of mostly Asian fonts — like HanziPen SC, He, and Adobe Ming Std L — plus some fonts such as Oriya MN, Malayalam, Adobe Devanagari, etc. — at the end of my font lists when working in InDesign or Photoshop. I cannot figure out where these fonts are actually located or how to separate and manage them. I've tried all the usual places. Unless they are part of Font Book, and I need to remove that application? I want to simply round them up and put them in a Suitcase set. See attached for examples of lists I'm seeing.

iMac 21.5", macOS 10.13

Posted on Mar 28, 2019 11:15 AM

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sstreger Author

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Mar 28, 2019 12:42 PM in response to BDAqua

You found them! Amazing job of digging. This question has been asked numerous times on different forums over the last few years. No one was able to find them. Extensis told me it wasn't a Suitcase issue so talk to Apple. Apple told me the two basic places where fonts are stored, and to talk to the companies whose applications I was using. The best solution I had found was to "disable" these in Font Book — at least that prevents them from appearing on my list of fonts when I'm working in design or word processing applications. But this is even better. Thank you.

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BDAqua

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Mar 28, 2019 11:34 AM in response to sstreger

Fonts included with macOS High Sierra...

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207962

How to install and remove fonts on your Mac...

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201749

Mac OS X: Font locations and their purposes...

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201722

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sstreger Author

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Mar 28, 2019 1:16 PM in response to BDAqua

They want users to have less and less control. With fonts that means giving consumers more — but confusing designers to death. My list in InDesign at least looks a little more manageable now. I still have to wade through system-keepers Avenir, Courier, Geneva, Helvetica and Helvetica Neue (although maybe not with Suitcase's updated handing of Helvetica), Lucide Grande, Menlo, Monaco, Symbol, Times, and Zapf Dingbats. Plus the 15 Asian and Arabic/Hebrew fonts that Apple won't let you disable and that Adobe CS sees as required. But much better. This seems as lean as I can go. I need/opened 11 fonts on this list, for example. The rest are gifts from Apple and Adobe.

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sstreger Author

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Mar 28, 2019 11:36 AM in response to BDAqua

Thanks for taking a look, but I know what fonts are included, and which are necessary. But these keep showing up in my applications. I have searched in all the usual places for these fonts, and the only place I can see them is in Font Book, though that application will not show me where the original files are located.

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BDAqua

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Mar 28, 2019 12:17 PM in response to sstreger

It appears Apple has not run out of things to keep us busy & off balance... have you looked in...

/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Support/FontSubsets/

No idea why the above line shows cutoff here, but...

***/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Support/FontSubsets/

I find these there anyway...

Apple LiGothic Medium.ttf

Apple LiSung Light.ttf

Baoli.ttc

BiauKai.ttf

Hannotate.ttc

Hanzipen.ttc

Hei.ttf

Hiragino Sans CNS.ttc

Kai.ttf

Kaiti.ttc

Lantinghei.ttc

Libian.ttc

LingWaiSC-Medium.otf

LingWaiTC-Medium.otf

WawaSC-Regular.otf

WawaTC-Regular.otf

WeibeiSC-Bold.otf

WeibeiTC-Bold.otf

Xingkai.ttc

Yuanti.ttc

YuppySC-Regular.otf

YuppyTC-Regular.otf

儷宋 Pro.ttf

儷黑 Pro.ttf

华文仿宋.ttf

华文细黑.ttf

华文黑体.ttf

MyriadArabic.ttc

Klee.ttc

Kyokasho.ttc

ToppanBunkyuGothicPr6N.ttc

ToppanBunkyuMidashiGothicStdN-ExtraBold.otf

ToppanBunkyuMidashiMinchoStdN-ExtraBold.otf

ToppanBunkyuMinchoPr6N-Regular.otf

Yu Gothic Bold.otf

Yu Gothic Medium.otf

Osaka.ttf

OsakaMono.ttf

TsukushiAMaruGothic.ttc

TsukushiBMaruGothic.ttc

YuMincho.ttc

Gungseouche.ttf

HeadlineA.ttf

NanumGothic.ttc

NanumMyeongjo.ttc

NanumScript.ttc

PCmyoungjo.ttf

Pilgiche.ttf

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Kurt Lang

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Mar 28, 2019 2:16 PM in response to sstreger

Per the list from one of the Adobe apps, I presume Cabrito, Gotham, Report School, Whipsmart and the ZB fonts are ones you all have active for a reason.

The Adobe apps, particularly Photoshop, have fonts in their lists you can't find anywhere. Such as the ones you see that start with "Adobe" in the name. I've looked, and it's like they're invisible. They are live fonts, but can only be used while in an Adobe app.

Where it loads them from, I don't know. They must be buried within the apps themselves, or support files they install. But even when using an app (EasyFind) that searches the drive for both hidden items, and inside packages, they can't be located. Not even while the apps are running.

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sstreger Author

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Mar 28, 2019 2:37 PM in response to Kurt Lang

Some can be located. All the Adobe-named fonts (plus Kozuka Gothic, Kozuka Mincho, Letter Gothic Std, Minion Pro, and Myriad Pro) are located at Adobe InDesign CC2015/Resources/Required/fonts. Since the folder is in a folder called "Required" I'm hesitant to move them into a Suitcase folder. The other Truetype fonts (Avenir, Courier, Geneva, Menlo, Monaco, Symbol, Times, Zapf) plus PingFang and Apple SD Gothic Neo are required in the System/Library/Fonts folder, It may be that the three Hiragino fonts are also from the system folder, part of "ヒラギノ角ゴ Pro W3".

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Kurt Lang

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Mar 28, 2019 2:43 PM in response to sstreger

Yes, some are easy to find, but others are nowhere to be found. Such as Trajan Color, EmojiOne, Adobe Devanagari, and a fair number of others. Photoshop in particular is littered with fonts that only exist in its menus.

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