losing Playlists with Catalina?

Hello everybody. I‘m a little bit scared of the new Update. I read some articles/discussions where some people had problems with the new music app. So my question to the people that already updatet. Will i, when i ipdate from mojave to catalina, from itunes to the music app lose my playlists, cause i don’t have the streaming service apple music. I have 12000 tracks (importer files + some purchases from the store) all sorted in playlists. Will i loose playlist, intelligent/smart playlists? Also, i got all of them in 3 playlist-folders.

Posted on Oct 8, 2019 8:38 AM

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Posted on Jul 11, 2020 5:30 AM

My experience has been similar. I have a large music library - over 375,000 songs, and I have them kept on a RAID volume rather than copied into my library. I am a DJ and I import new music Monthly, usually on the order of thousands of songs at a time. Occasionally, I have to move folders around. iTunes and the Music app have no means of allowing me to move the physical file location from within the application, so this sometimes forces me to delete a bunch of stuff from the library and re-add it (usually tens of thousands of songs at a time). This has been quite a test against iTunes - which struggled to manage it. I understand that's not a common use case, and I chalked the performance issues up to old hardware.


When I upgraded hardware, I was appalled to find that the Music application in Catalina, keeps losing a large number of my files. I import songs, everything works until I close the Music app, and then most of them are gone the next time I open the application. I've tried this on multiple machines, on an iTunes->Music upgrade and also on a clean install. The application does not appear to be able to manage large libraries properly. I searched these discussion boards, and found that many people have had the same experience - most of them just gave up.


Things I've observed:


* Opening the application while holding option, browsing to the original ITL file is slightly better. But the application still loses songs and playlists when I exit.

* Library.musicdb doesn't change immediately when I add music. The application appears to keep a working copy in memory somewhere, and another process or agent actually commits the changes to the database. This is where everything goes wrong.

* If you add a LOT of songs at once, it will stop updating the Library.musicdb, and any changes you make after that point will disappear the next time you open Music.

* When this abandonment of committing the library occurs, the console is usually filled with log messages about "track not created because it is not new and does not exist"

* Importing from the iTunes XML (rather than opening the ITL) or importing an XML with over 150,000 tracks in it, will make the symptoms appear almost immediately


I've been able to kind of skirt around the problem by doing the following. You lose your import dates and play stats, but it prevents the Music app from losing stuff when you close it:


* Open Music, and spend a long time putting everything into it again.

* Create a new playlist that contains all your songs (or split them up into multiple playlists if you want - I did mine by Genre) -- just ensure you all of your songs are in one or more playlists

* Export the library to a new XML file

* Export each of your smart playlists to separate XML files

* Close and re-open Music. Observe that all your hard work is gone again.

* Close Music. Open music while holding the Option key.

* Choose a location for your new library.

* Use the pieterderycke/itunes-export tool on GitHub will turn your iTunes XML into m3u playlists.

* Open each m3u in a text editor like TextMate or Atom, and ensure the path to the files is correct. I had to do a search/replace, because the paths the tool output started with '../'.

* Break any playlist that's bigger than 3MB into multiple smaller files. You can do it in a text editor, but I'm old school andI used terminal:

$ cat BigList.m3u | wc -l

$ cat BigList.m3u | head -n25000 > BigList_1.m3u

$ cat BigList.m3u | head -n50000 | tail -n +25001 > BigList_2.m3u

$ cat BigList.m3u | head -n75000 | tail -n +50001 > BigList_3.m3u

$ cat BigList.m3u | head -n100000 | tail -n +75001 > BigList_4.m3u


* Import each m3u file, one at a time. Wait for music to finish processing each file, and doing gapless playback analysis.

* Watch the Library.musicdb to ensure that it grows after each playlist you import. This took several minutes, sometimes, after I imported an m3u. If you import an m3u and the library stops growing, the playlist is too large - stop importing, close Music, split that m3u into smaller chunks, and reopen Music before trying again.

* Import your smart playlists from the XMLs. If any are dependent on other playlists, you will likely need to update them.

* Backup your Library.musicdb file

* Most importantly -- write an angry letter to Apple about this. Many people have libraries unsuitable for storage in the cloud. They give us literally one way to sync music to our phones and then make the application so brittle that it crumbles under even the slightest amount of load. We can't be quiet about it.


Hope this helps someone.

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Jan 14, 2020 4:09 PM in response to Stibae_12

Installed Catalina a month or so ago. Lost all playlists/music except that which I had purchased through iTunes. Bought a new iPhone yesterday and had nothing but empty playlists in Music. I corrected doing the following:


I imported my music library to a desktop folder on my newer Mac from my old Mac through file sharing. I was then able to upload and sort into playlists in "Music" running Catalina and sync to my new iPhone 11. All good now.


Lucky I had my old Mac...

Dec 7, 2019 1:53 AM in response to turingtest2

I haven't lost any playlists but my iPod's.

I cannot see any playlists on my device (iTunes/Music). I can see the tracks/songs but they're not organized in playlists.

I can drag a playlist on the device but cannot check/uncheck the lists as I used to. (now on Finder)

I know now they are on Finder, but I hadn't found any information about this change anywhere.

But even using Finder to check/uncheck the playlists, there are no playlists in my iPod, just a single list - all songs.

Yes, this is a complaint.

Happy weekend.

Dec 7, 2019 3:15 AM in response to solfinker

Finder has reduced features for manual management of content on device when compared to iTunes. You cannot manipulate playlists, change metadata, or playback the content on the device. You can add content from Music, or delete individual items that are already there. For greater control switch to syncing with selected playlists and perform management tasks in Music. Clearly a workaround that will only help if your media is all present in the library, which might not be the case if you've used manual management to allow you to add content from multiple libraries, or have removed items from the computer once transferred for reasons of space.


tt2

Oct 31, 2019 2:09 PM in response to insight10.9

Crap-O-Lina has to be the stupidest update ever. I lost a bunch of programs because they weren't 32bit. And now iTunes is pretty much a useless piece of bloatwear. Pretty unbelievable. iTunes has always been my go to audio program. Now I can't even see how to make a playlist on my iPhone. I'm not going to spend hours drilling into the internet to see some half assed work around, to have the abilities that I had in ALL the previous OS'.


I suppose I'm going to try to find another app that will at least let me manipulate the music on my iPhone.


I'm just so burnt that Apple crapped in the middle everybody's computers with this new OS.


Thanks for nuttin'.

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