Can Classic run in Catalina...emulator?

Good day,


I think there was an emulator/application that allowed current macOS users the ability to open Classic applications and/or files.


Can anyone provide the name/URL of this capability?


I also cross-posted this in the "Classic Mac OS (OS9, OS8 & System 7)" Community


Thank you in advance.


-Merl1n

Posted on Oct 25, 2019 10:46 AM

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Posted on Oct 25, 2019 11:25 AM

I can give you the name, but not the URL. You are looking for SheepShaver. Unfortunately, any URL associated with that is also going to be associated with hackintoshes and the copying/sharing of boot ROMs. So I can’t give you the link.


However, if you poke around in the Issues folder on the SheepShaver GitHub site, you can find some links to 64-bit builds. I was able to get SheepShaver running on Catalina with some bugs:



I had to manually remove the quarantine flags with xattr -d com.apple.quarantine /path/to/sheepshaver. This build I tried isn’t signed so I had to right click and authorize it to run. But even with that, it still ran in app translocation mode. I had to remove the gatekeeper attributes or else it would create a new entry in the Security Preferences for input items and full drive access each time I ran. I still get a dialog for input access, but it seems to work fine, even if I deny input access. I did give it full drive access. I also manually copied my sheep shaver dot files from my home directory. The preferences tool (at least the one I have) is still 32-bit.


This is all assuming that you already have a working 64-bit version of Sheepshaver running on Mojave. If you don’t, then that won’t be anything I could help with. It’s not trivial.

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Oct 25, 2019 11:25 AM in response to Merl1n

I can give you the name, but not the URL. You are looking for SheepShaver. Unfortunately, any URL associated with that is also going to be associated with hackintoshes and the copying/sharing of boot ROMs. So I can’t give you the link.


However, if you poke around in the Issues folder on the SheepShaver GitHub site, you can find some links to 64-bit builds. I was able to get SheepShaver running on Catalina with some bugs:



I had to manually remove the quarantine flags with xattr -d com.apple.quarantine /path/to/sheepshaver. This build I tried isn’t signed so I had to right click and authorize it to run. But even with that, it still ran in app translocation mode. I had to remove the gatekeeper attributes or else it would create a new entry in the Security Preferences for input items and full drive access each time I ran. I still get a dialog for input access, but it seems to work fine, even if I deny input access. I did give it full drive access. I also manually copied my sheep shaver dot files from my home directory. The preferences tool (at least the one I have) is still 32-bit.


This is all assuming that you already have a working 64-bit version of Sheepshaver running on Mojave. If you don’t, then that won’t be anything I could help with. It’s not trivial.

Oct 28, 2019 12:40 PM in response to Merl1n

You can do that with SheepShaver. My image even has WordPerfect. You would have to be able to install those apps yourself inside the emulator. That would likely be more difficult than just getting the emulator running.


I don’t know what you mean about disk images from UNIX or Terminal. Unknown files in macOS will often show up as a generic UNIX file, if that’s what you mean. You may be able to coax them back to their native formats.

Oct 29, 2019 9:27 AM in response to Merl1n

Merl1n wrote:

That being said, I have a question: how could I get those files to open in their native formats? I tried opening up a word file, and all it gave me back was ASCII code :-(

Are there any programs that can perform this operation?

I don’t know if current versions of Word can open a Word document that old. That could be a Word 5.1 document or older. If it does open it, I’m sure you would have to probably click a box to show all files and then explicitly tell Word that it is a “Mac Word 5.1” document.


I’m generally not a fan of those “Libre Office” apps. They do a poor job of converting documents. They should be able to extract the text, but not much else. There is no substitute for having the genuine software.


But most Word users would have migrated their documents over the years, as Word itself progressed. For a time traveller like yourself, materializing your TARDIS in the middle of London 2019 with a bunch of Mac files from 1997, you are going to have difficulty.

It's shame that Apple doesn't seem to have backwards-capability in instances that require it (such as my case). We know WinTel does, but look at their issues

I’m afraid that backwards-compatibility long ago lost out over convenience and compatibility with other systems. Your old documents could be real old-school Mac documents with resource forks. Microsoft and <insert owner du jour> WordPerfect generally tried to support cross-platform compatibility and didn’t use resource forks as much as other Mac software.


But again, Apple did have very good cross-platform compatibility back in the century when more people needed it.

Oct 28, 2019 6:32 AM in response to etresoft

Thank you for the feedback. The reason for needing to go back to Classic, is that I have some old (pre-1995) files that were made in Word, Excel, and...wait for it...Word Perfect.


I tried to get these to open on more recent OS's, but no-dice :-(


The disk images are those from UNIX or Terminal; they cannot be opened.


Thus, my rationale here is to try an Emulator, drag those files onto the Emulator Window, open them up and save them into a more current format (if this is possible).


I don't plan to run programs on the Emulator, except to get these files on a one-time-shot deal.


Advise, is possible.


Sincerely,

Merlin

Oct 28, 2019 7:59 AM in response to Merl1n

You will need assistance with Apple's Safely open apps on your Mac when authorizing LibreOffice v6.3.2.2 after installation. You can verify which older files are supported by choosing File menu : Open… and on that file chooser, click Options. Then, click the File type: All Files selector to see the long list of formats supported for all LO applications.


For Catalina, my last step in authorizing LibreOffice v6.3.2.2 was via System Preferences : Security & Privacy : General, where it will ask if you want to permit LibreOffice.

Oct 29, 2019 5:58 AM in response to etresoft

It would seem that using SheepShaver can be difficult, but I might consider it. But true, getting the apps onto that platform could be daunting task.


And you're correct on the disk images...they show up as a generic UNIX file.


That being said, I have a question: how could I get those files to open in their native formats? I tried opening up a word file, and all it gave me back was ASCII code :-(


Are there any programs that can perform this operation?


It's shame that Apple doesn't seem to have backwards-capability in instances that require it (such as my case). We know WinTel does, but look at their issues


Thanks in advance.


-Merlin

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