ios 13.2 deleting podcasts randomly

I recently upgraded to iOS 13.2 on my iPhone XS. Since then, my phone has deleted 1200 podcast episodes four separate times. These are podcast episodes I loaded onto my phone myself, not podcasts that I am subscribed to through iTunes. None of these episodes had been played. Twice it happened while I was listening to a podcast. Suddenly the podcasts just stopped playing and the episodes were gone. When I connected my phone to my MacBook, the episodes automatically re-synced to my phone since they were unplayed. My podcast settings have not been changed between iOS13.1 and 13.2 (or for years for that matter) -- they are set to auto delete off my phone once played, but again none of these have been played.


Seems like this is a bug in iOS 13.2. Has anyone else experienced this? Since I don't lose the files, it is more of an annoyance than anything to have to re-sync with my MacBook, but it is annoying nonetheless. Just another of the many bugs I continue to find with Apple products.



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Posted on Nov 5, 2019 6:36 PM

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Posted on Aug 13, 2020 5:50 PM

I just wanted to update with my experience of switching podcasts over to audiobooks in an attempt to bypass these deletion problem.


I am running Mojave on a MacBook Air with the good version of iTunes before Apple destroyed it (and podcasts) in Catalina.


I converted all of my podcasts that were not part of an RSS feed over to audiobooks and play them through the Books app. I was able to edit the metadata as needed to get the files in the order I wanted and everything has worked perfectly. I am able to play them back at the speed I want, unlike being stuck with normal speed if they were classified as music. None of my files have deleted, and I am still able to use the podcast app for any podcasts I listen to that download through RSS feeds straight to my phone. I no longer worry about syncing podcasts with my MacBook Air.


The main reason I did not switch to Catalina when it first came out was because Apple destroyed the podcast functionality. You could no longer import your own audio files into Podcasts, and you cannot import files into Music and then change their classification to podcast to backdoor the files into the podcast app.


Once I figured out audiobooks is a good workaround, I decided today to upgrade from Mojave to Catalina. Mistake. Apple also destroyed the functionality of Books on the Mac. Now if you have an audiobook, you cannot see the chapter names in Books on the computer. All you see is the title of the audiobook and the length, and you cannot edit the metadata at all. So if you import your own files into Books, you will not be able to edit the metadata to make sure they are named right, in the right order, etc.


So I have downgraded back to Mojave and plan to stick here until Apple's developers decide to stop breaking things and trying to be so creative and "smart" that they forget about the end user.


If anyone has any workarounds to any of the problems I mention above in Catalina that I may be missing, please let me know.



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Aug 13, 2020 5:50 PM in response to giftenblue

I just wanted to update with my experience of switching podcasts over to audiobooks in an attempt to bypass these deletion problem.


I am running Mojave on a MacBook Air with the good version of iTunes before Apple destroyed it (and podcasts) in Catalina.


I converted all of my podcasts that were not part of an RSS feed over to audiobooks and play them through the Books app. I was able to edit the metadata as needed to get the files in the order I wanted and everything has worked perfectly. I am able to play them back at the speed I want, unlike being stuck with normal speed if they were classified as music. None of my files have deleted, and I am still able to use the podcast app for any podcasts I listen to that download through RSS feeds straight to my phone. I no longer worry about syncing podcasts with my MacBook Air.


The main reason I did not switch to Catalina when it first came out was because Apple destroyed the podcast functionality. You could no longer import your own audio files into Podcasts, and you cannot import files into Music and then change their classification to podcast to backdoor the files into the podcast app.


Once I figured out audiobooks is a good workaround, I decided today to upgrade from Mojave to Catalina. Mistake. Apple also destroyed the functionality of Books on the Mac. Now if you have an audiobook, you cannot see the chapter names in Books on the computer. All you see is the title of the audiobook and the length, and you cannot edit the metadata at all. So if you import your own files into Books, you will not be able to edit the metadata to make sure they are named right, in the right order, etc.


So I have downgraded back to Mojave and plan to stick here until Apple's developers decide to stop breaking things and trying to be so creative and "smart" that they forget about the end user.


If anyone has any workarounds to any of the problems I mention above in Catalina that I may be missing, please let me know.



Jul 30, 2020 4:26 PM in response to jfyuga

So I was having this issue, and I tried listing the podcast episodes as 'music' with 'remember playback position' checked, and just having the ones I wanted at any given time moved into a playlist that synced to my phone. It didn't work, as iTunes would never remember the correct playback position. So I just decided to list all the podcast episodes as audiobooks and to listen to them through the 'Books' app. They all just appear as a list of 'chapters' under the podcast's 'book' name and it works perfectly, so I recommend that everyone tries out this method until Apple fixes the issue for us!

Aug 21, 2020 10:35 AM in response to giftenblue

Here's a summary for some of the new people on this thread:


-this bug has been impacting the iOS Podcast app for a while now. With every iOS update, everyone always checks to see if it's fixed. The answer is relentlessly "no".


-the problem impacts both podcast episodes that are manually added to iTunes and synced to a phone, *as well as* episodes downloaded in iTunes that are from an official source. No podcast episode is immune to this.


-Someone on this board mentioned being a tester of iOS 14 (not officially released yet), and that the bug still exists in it, but closing the Podcasts app and relaunching makes the "disappeared" episodes accessible again. A competent software company wouldn't qualify that as a fix, but as a frustrated end user experiencing a long term software bug, I'll take it.


-People have tried a variety of workarounds. All are appreciated and interesting to read about. The most recently discussed workaround is to change the episodes to the audio book format and listen to them in a different iOS app. A thank you goes to the tester whom took the time to figure that out. It's not really a "fix" though, as the Podcasts app remains bug infested and broken.


At this point, it's a countdown to iOS 14, which could potentially provide the ability to fix this issue by restarting the app (and not having to resync with iTunes on your computer). That still sucks, but at least it's something. The "sync with iTunes" fix doesn't do someone much good if they're on a road trip and listening in a car or on a plane.


The prospect of converting a bunch of podcasts to audio book format also isn't appealing to me, but only because I have a bunch of conversions to do. If you only have a couple of episodes, then that could be all you need to fix and move on to more productive things in life.

Apr 15, 2020 9:20 PM in response to jfyuga

If anyone here does not know how to contact Apple service people. Download the Apple Support app from the App Store and you can either chat with them or call them. They will then set up a diagnostics to be run on your device. But along with the diagnostics you have to let them know the exact time when it happened. So they know where to look in the diagnostics log. It’s a very long log, so it’s not gonna be easy for them to narrow down the problem to a certain cause without the time.

The customer support is not gonna know what caused the issue and will probably tell you to restore your device, tell them It’s already been done by people in this thread(send them a link to this page).

and tell them to escalate the issue to there IOS engineers at Apple. Tell them to include the time of deletion with the log

Dec 8, 2019 9:09 AM in response to jfyuga

I've had this same problem with every version of iOS 13.2.x.


I'm on 13.2.3 right now, and it continues to happen.


All manually added iTunes podcast episodes disappear from the Podcasts app (often while I'm listening to one), and I've noticed some older episodes downloaded in iTunes are gone as well. It seems to happen about once per week, which I assume is during a scheduled task of some sort that iOS is performing behind the scenes.


If I plug my phone back into my Windows 10 PC and resync, all is temporarily well again. Until it happens again. This is a recording.


Remember those old TV commericals with the hip, functional Apple dude and the nerdy Windows guy that keeps experiencing bugs and crashes? Apple software has really regressed since then. It almost makes Windows 10 look solid in comparison.

Jan 29, 2020 5:29 AM in response to jfyuga

I had another call with Apple support yesterday. They suggested that I reset the phone to factory settings and set it up as a new phone to see if that would eliminate the problem. So I am now in the middle of an experiment where I have reset my phone and I have not yet added any new apps to the phone. All I have done is added my podcasts and my Bluetooth headphones (non-Apple). I have seen the podcasts disappear twice since I added the headphones but I didn’t check before I added them to see if the podcasts had already disappeared before connecting. I have since forgotten those headphones and we’ll see if that stops the deletions. I also noticed the second disappearance this morning after using the native Weather app (but the headphones were still connected). Yesterday before starting this test, opening the weather app lead to podcasts being deleted including the one I was listening to. The Apple support guy I spoke to yesterday said that if this does not solve the problem he will have it elevated to engineering. The disappointing thing about that is that the first person I spoke to in November said that she was already going to do that. In any event, maybe we will get some resolution of this soon. I’ll report back.


Has anyone else noticed deletions coming after the use of any specific apps?

Apr 15, 2020 9:52 PM in response to Deadmeme

I'm definitely willing to make a contribution towards this frustrating problem, but don't like our chances. For better or worse, I've done my share of large enterprise IT work and support engineers will only prioritize specific types of problems:


Something that impacts revenue, like the ability to purchase or access content provided by the Apple ecosystem. This does not meet that criteria.


Something related to a bug in a highly visible app, like those that are highlighted in Apple presentations: Music, Maps, Camera, etc. The stepchild podcast app is definitely not that.


This has been going on for months now, with support engineers referenced pretty early in this thread. At this point, I'm just trying to manage what will likely be an issue for a while. There's no magic solution that I've found, but I noticed that the problem occurs less frequently if I don't keep the Notes app open. There have been multiple times now that a podcast cut out exactly when I opened Notes. Boom, gone. It's to the point that I won't even use Notes when I'm not home.

Jun 15, 2020 7:39 AM in response to antimattr

Just spent 1.5 hours in a support chat with Apple. They ran diagnostics, but it “passed the test”. Not sure what they tested. They suggested deleting the podcast app and re-installing, which I think I already tried when it first happened, and advised that “for optimum use of my device it must have 30% of storage available.”

Which means my 64GB phone actually has less than 40GB after allowing for the IOS software. And I don’t think it will work anyway. But I’ll give it a try and report back.

Jun 26, 2020 1:47 PM in response to wolfphys

I have news, although not news that we want to hear. Apple called me back today, as promised (thank you Sarah), and the initial response from the engineers (misquoted in my words, not theirs) was “that’s what it’s supposed to do, why do they want to listen to podcasts that aren’t in the feed anymore?”


I explained why.


They’re going to double check that the engineers have correctly understood the problem, and if their initial response is correct, then we have to stop reporting it as a bug, as it is not a bug. Instead it is a feature that has been removed and we have to go through feedback (sorry, forgot the exact link) and request that the feature is reinstated.


I will report back . . .

Sep 29, 2020 6:01 AM in response to pennylane291

So far, so good with iOS 14 and iOS 14.0.1. I've installed each as soon as they were available, and none of my podcasts have vanished yet. I'm hoping that this holds. At a minimum, it appears that at least the frequency of the problem has been reduced.


I also reduced the number of podcasts that I'm syncing via iTunes to keep at least 10gb free on my phone. Not sure if that factors into this.

Jan 30, 2020 1:31 PM in response to jfyuga

Update: the restore to factory settings did not solve the problem. I have spoken twice now with Jeremy at Apple Support. He's been very helpful and he is sending this to engineering. He mentioned that it helps them resolve issues if multiple people with the same problem can send their diagnostic logs to Apple to analyze. So if anyone is still having this same problem, it might be helpful to contact Apple Support as well to see if you can supply them with additional information that will help them figure this one out.

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