MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise

I don’t know any Rossman I and I don’t care about who is pro or anti Apple. I sure will test it out as soon as I can. I am just trying to think along with posters in this topic when reading about their findings.

William Kucharski wrote:

I don't care about CPU temps either, for the same reasons.

For example, if the fans were at full blast whether it's driving one or four monitors, it's no big deal.

ive only known you for a couple of pages, but this sounds very awkward to me. I am a working professional trying to make a living as a photographer. I know for sure that I would be bothered enormously by full blasting fans while creating my wedding albums for my clients. To me that would be a very big deal. It would be a deal breaker kind of deal. This is about getting things done, not arguing if the tech is within spec or not. What you are saying doesn’t make sense to me, sorry. My opinion of course.

If you or others here want to spend time calculating what fan speeds you think the fans should be running at in order to reduce temperatures to what you feel is more appropriate, that's fine. Several people have done just that and I salute their work and the effort they've put in.

However, the fact that the machine may run hotter than you like, may draw more power than you deem proper or the fans run or run louder than you would like do not in themselves mean the machine is either broken or defective.

That's all I have been stating in these posts; if your preferences for how you want the system to run are different than Apple's, you can either try to convince Apple to change how they set up their systems or purchase something else - I don't work for Apple, it doesn't affect me one way or the other.

If you need absolutely silence when creating your albums, I can get why the fans would annoy you if it interferes with your concentration; I've known photographers who prefer to have speed metal playing at 110 dB while working, so it's all a matter of personal style. 😁

To be perfectly fair, this is also why Apple offers a 14 day return period on purchases; not every machine will be a good match for everyone.

I think you are correct. However...

Assuming the fan behaviour discussed above is as designed (As you argue) is an even much more astonishing thought than Assuming the machines are defective.

in fact I believe odds are that all these machines are not hardware defective. That would be very coincidental. So I believe you are right. Which only leaves the option of a serious design flaw, either in hardware or software or both.

this puts me off most, as it implies that the issues won’t be solved anytime soon.

William Kucharski wrote:

Once again you are calling a machine defective for not meeting your particular expectations of what it should and shouldn't do despite it never being promised anywhere in any Apple specification or ad that it can do what you want it to.

"Imposter?" That doesn't even make sense.

I design electronic devices, including embedded computers.. In 2020 if I design a device that cosumes 18W or more to just drive a 1080p, everybody ridicules about me.. I will be an entertaiment subject in the companiy.. Adding that if I make that maching unnecessaryly thin that cannot cool itself, I will be fired!

There is NO point in defending this.. If due to Apple, driving HDMI consumes 18W, than either Apple does not now electronics/software, or it is an imposter..

If due to Apple this is normal, I'll not buy any of its products unless I have to.. What about loggin in with user root with empty password? Is it normal?

I think you devote a lot of time chastising Apple for things that are for all we know explicit design decisions.

I personally would much rather have the GPU and associated RAM cranked up to their highest speed all the time, ready for whatever I throw its way.

Heat and power consumption aren't as important to me as raw speed whenever I want it.

That only happens in Windows when you use special high performance drivers for things like gaming.

I also don't care about Apple's font scaling; if they look good at Apple's default resolutions, other resolutions aren't as important.

Having different priorities does not mean bad engineering.

If that is the case William, then we all disagree with you significantly, and this will be my last MacBook Pro.

One question for BootCamp users; has it gotten any better? I was considering investing some time in an install.

This article should be tweeted daily until it is picked up as a priority by Apple. Of course, we should all report the issue to Apple, but this is a first world problem these days, so it is not likely to get resolved through quiet protest.

I absolutely cannot say that's what Apple intended, but that's what I would want.

In the US where the Toyota RAV4, Honda Civic and Toyota Camry are the most popular vehicles with some even choosing hybrids and electric vehicles, some people still prefer to buy high end sports cars that get 8 MPG even if all they do is commute on city streets.

It's like the complaints about the pricing of the new Mac Pro tower; if it's too expensive for you, you likely aren't its target market - it's aimed at people for whom $50K for a high end graphics workstation is a steal (and there are those customers) as well as those for whom the higher prices can easily be amortized in increased customer billings due to time saved.

I hold no animosity if you decide to purchase something else; once again I don't work for Apple, and you obviously have specific needs for which the MacBook Pro may no longer be an appropriate choice.

Thankfully, for many thousands of others, it's the best MacBook Pro ever made.

As always, if you feel differently, complaining here is not the right venue, this is:

Feedback - MacBook Pro - Apple

Those of us who have been around the Apple Support Community for years have been told time and time again that comments made there hold far more import than anything said here.

dcristof wrote:

If that is the case William, then we all disagree with you significantly, and this will be my last MacBook Pro.

One question for BootCamp users; has it gotten any better? I was considering investing some time in an install.

Never mind.. BootCamp is BootCrap.. Just buy a PC laptop.. Don't loose your precious time..

Bluetooth: If you are going to use headphones -who does not?- forget it. When you connect a second device headphones are jittery..

Battery: The dGPU is always but always active, CPU is not undervolted.. If you watch a video, system directs it to dGPU and system consumes 50W! FIFTY WATTs for a youtube video.. Also dGPU driver is buggy as ****. If you connect external monitor, the performance flactuates.. Edge works nice, Chrome eats CPU/GPU..

Wifi was the slowest one, with the update it is fixed though..

Toucpad is the worst PC touchpad I've ever seen.. Even 5 years old computer's touchpad is much better.. I fixed it by an open source driver, however it has its own problems..

Touchbar is buggy as well.. If you connect external monitor, and then remove, sometimes it does not come back.. Pressing Fn key does not solve, you have to force the device to go standby and wake up to resurrect the touchbar.. BTW: Who the **** think this useless piece of glass.. Whenever I return to a device with function keys, I feel that it was torture using TB..

I think I'll buy a thin and light PC to carry with me, and will sell this device.. I've been using this for GPU however I'll use PC for it, and use old MBP 13.. And carry two computers..

I wish I don't have to work on iOS.. If Apple was good at software, I was planning on buying iMac etc.. But unless you work on web or iOS those devices are useless..

Well, it's too bad you dislike Apple hardware so; what you feel about their laptops is the way I feel about every PC laptop I've ever come into contact with, bar none.

Different people use different products differently, and have different needs.

All I can say is that for how I use my systems, macOS and Apple products are the easiest to use, best hardware and allow me to be the most productive.

I'm not sure what WiFi issues you were seeing, but my MBP 16 has been maxing out its WiFi connection since day one with no issues.

The touchpad is my absolute favorite part of Apple hardware, to the point where I can't even stand to use a mouse if at all possible, instead I have Magic Trackpads for all of my non-laptop Macs. They're intuitive, and just magical in their response where every PC laptop trackpad has been a pain for me to use, they're either too sensitive or not sensitive enough and the first thing I always have to do is shut off tap to click (on Macs, too.)

Frankly I rarely use the touch bar… or function keys. All I need is a physical ESC key, and the MBP 16 brought that back, which is why I finally upgraded from the last non-touchbar generation of MBP.

50W for the GPU? Awesome, I want the GPU driven as hard as it can be at all times, but we've covered that - speed is important for me, power and heat are zero concern for me, the same way they aren't for PC gamers. (GPU power use of 185w, now that's impressive.)

If you want thin and light, the MacBook Air is a great model, but I'm sure there are good PC laptops out there… somewhere, my biggest problem with them is you'd have to use Windows if you don't install a Linux distro.

I am thankful I don't have to use Windows, as there is literally nothing positive about any interaction I've ever had with Windows. The interface is horrid, non-intuitive and just generally a pain to navigate through even for something as simple as "What size hard drive does this machine have" or "What are the current network settings?"

It's a pity you think Macs are useless because they allow millions of people to be more productive than they would be using Windows every day with the added benefit that you never, ever have to wait for your virus software to update (unless for some reason you feel compelled to install one, usually only because a corporate IT department somewhere said you had to.) Nor do I ever need to install drivers or sort out driver conflicts.

I wish you all the best in your future endeavors.

Exactly, and having the tech specs saying that it can support up to four 4K external monitors + its internal displays makes me expect having only 1 monitor at 1080p connected to be a piece of cake for the machine.

w0203j wrote:

Also I absolutely agree no point defending this as "normal" behavior. Any normal laptop doesn't behave like this during my past 15 years experience from more than a dozen laptops.

You've never owned a laptop this powerful with a GPU this powerful.

This is a complete mischaracterization of the GPUs; the 5500M is also substantially faster with more capability.

A large SUV will use substantially more fuel than a tiny compact car even if both are just used to drive a mile down the street at 25 MPH.

That's simply false. A GPU is powerful and should consume more power only when it activates most of its transistors when it does 3D draw/processing calls. Most of people here having problem when the actual GPU utilization close to nothing when you connecting to external monitor. It doesn't matter what the resolution is.

So you are saying a GPU with close to 0% usage should produce that much power just because it's "powerful"? I have desktop Vega64 3 times as more powerful than this 5500M and I bet you it consumes less than 20W when it's IDEL.

This review states the 5700 XT draws 36W driving multiple monitors and even states "multi-monitor power consumption is still bad, nearly three times that of competing NVIDIA cards."

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/31.html