MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise

I did enjoy the back and forth between DPJ and that other fella, whose name escapes me now.

Anyway, I came back to say that when someone gets their hands on the 5600m, please, please, connect it to an external monitor, download iStat (or similar) and share how they handle fan use, heat, and power usage.

If the new 5600m works as the previous dGPU’s did, meaning much more efficiently, I don’t know what that tells me. I suppose it can still be either a software or hardware issue for us.

I for one will be super annoyed if the 5600 works the way we all expect our 5500 to work. After spending so much on this, nearly 6 months later, Apple releases the version we all expected this to be. I highly doubt they would allow us to swap them out, but if they did, for the cost of the new dGPU, I would take that offer. I do 100% expect them to make no such offer and to not even address the issue.

Anyway, I’d say it’s nice seeing familiar names, but “sorry you’re still here” is better.

That is good news Tim.

Good to hear that it is now a 'priority' issue rather than 'acknowledgement' issue for Apple, which means hope for fix is there.

Agree that we should all act and try to raise the priority level.

OK, I've been running a full screen HD video on the Dell screen for the past thirty minutes:

The output from powermetrics:

**** SMC sensors ****

CPU Thermal level: 54
GPU Thermal level: 4
IO Thermal level: 4
Fan: 2126.82 rpm
CPU die temperature: 71.31 C
GPU die temperature: 70.00 C
CPU Plimit: 0.00
GPU Plimit (Int): 0.00 

Number of prochots: 0

Other info:

thx. i see you show values first minute after connect, trough some minutes with this temperatures (CPU die temperature: 71.31 C

GPU die temperature: 70.00 C) your fans must be ~4k.

or you have magic mbp 16 )))

mamahtehok wrote:

thx. i see you show values first minute after connect, trough some minutes with this temperatures (CPU die temperature: 71.31 C

GPU die temperature: 70.00 C) your fans must be ~4k.

or you have magic mbp 16 )))

For the entire half hour, the stats stabilized where they were - in fact the stats I posted were the very last ones I took as the 30 minute video was finishing up; they were not the first stats, they were after 30 minutes.

Fans never became audible, and the stats never showed they were above 2150 RPM, nor did the CPU or GPU get any hotter than just over 70º C.

The only thing I noticed changing was the "GPU Thermal Level" rose from 0 to 4.

If it helps, the ambient temperature in the room was 75ºF.

William Kucharski wrote:

LeoKost wrote:

Oh, so the point you're trying to make through all your responses is that "If it turns ON, IT WORKS". Okay then, yea, sure.

Cute, but I never said that, rather the inverse:

If your machine does not hit thermal shutdown, you can still get whatever you bought your MPB 16 for done.

No Mr Kurcharski,

What I want from my laptop is not that simple.. What I want is:

1. Being dead silent.. I moved all the noise creating systems outside of my room, and I want to concentrate on my job, not a hair dryer.. This so called "computer" is the only thing that creates noise in my room..
2. Nice keyboard (check)
3. Nice enough display (check)

If #1 is not there, I do not care the rest.. Really I DO NOT CARE! I do not care the computation power, I do not care the graphics, I do not care the keyboard, I do not care the display.. I am that much used to the silent computers.. Even my desktop was much more powerful than this machine and it was dead silent unless I force it..

Actually I totally stop using this machine, unless for iOS.. Instead I am using 5 year old, graphically much more capable monster.. Even it creates less noise, a humm in the background that's it.. I'll sell this machine, continue using 13" for just support iOS.. That will be my last Apple device..

We understand that you do not care noise.. Good for you.. People care, that's why they are asking the solution, not your "if it does not thermal shutdown" advise.. Do you really have any solution to fan's running unnecessaryly high? If not why are you trying to convince people that it is ok?

Thermal shutdown? Actually it does.. Sometimes external monitor connected it does! The funs ramps all the way up and resets..

I have the same issue with an external monitor. A machine that makes your hands sweaty when using its keyboard is not ok. If you end up paying $6K for the very best laptop, and it makes you feel that you don't want to use it is not ok. It is not good design, and it is just plainly not ok. No matter how much people try to explain the technicalities, this machine should be as smooth as running a Ferrari, not having A/C issues like an old Ford Fiesta (pardon Ford lovers). So, Apple must find a solution and stop all this nonsense of trying to explain how a machine so expensive and advanced cannot even run an external monitor as expected (with comfort!)

pabloparedes wrote:

No matter how much people try to explain the technicalities, this machine should be as smooth as running a Ferrari, not having A/C issues like an old Ford Fiesta (pardon Ford lovers).

The irony here is that unlike Apple, Ferraris are notoriously unreliable and finicky.

You are much more likely to find a working A/C in a ten year-old Ford than a ten year-old Ferrari.

Great point Dcristof,

The ableton live and UNIVERSAL AUDIO INTERFACE forums are complaining about loud fans and hot temperatures with or without a monitor while performing light tasks . Please be patient it took a while for the butterfly keyboard issue to get resolved but it eventually got taken care : )

WILLIAM:

I am documenting this post.

I have not posted anything that should warrant my post from being deleted edited or being banned. These are very trying times for us I. The BLM community and all others should feel safe to respectfully speak our minds here at the Apple forum.

Apple stands behind human rights ! They always have !

I don't know about cables, but in my successful use of external monitors, there are two obvious factors that may or may not be significant:

• Both were connected via a TB3 to Mini DisplayPort adapter and a Mini DisplayPort cable to the monitor
• Both were of lower resolution than the built-in screen (2560x1600 or 2560x1440)

mamahtehok wrote:

only William Kucharski has mbp 16 without this issues.

Provably not true, as several others have also posted they did not have issues.

This thread is for people who do have issues, and as always it attracts those that do as the tens of thousands who don't have issues don't come here to post that they don't.

Right! You may be right (I only use Ferrari as a social metaphor as I do not own one, but I did get in a Fiesta that was an oven :) In any case, a $6K machine supposed to be the best of the best should just not have this issues. I have used Macs for 10 years now, and what I loved from them is that every time, using a new one was a pleasure - simply smooth. Until now, the most expensive one yet that I have bought, which works beautifully on its own, cannot stand an external monitor comfortably. I hope this is answered and fixed.

Tim, I appreciate you seem to have access to many configuraitons and as you've reported they all have the same defect.

I'm very curious to hear back from you on the latest MacBook Pro with the 9600M GPU, please let us know if you get access to that and see if it also suffers from the same defects as the lower end GPUs.