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So if the signal drop is caused by the hand physically blocking antennae...

Apple is trying to convince us that this issue "exists in all smartphones" and that its caused by the hand physically blocking the antennae. Heres their education on it:

http://www.apple.com/antenna/

However, if the case is the hand blocking the antennae, as they want us to believe, then how come the iPhone4's signal problems can be reproduced without even touching the phone?

There are many videos of the phones antennae being shorted with a house key, part of a paper clip, etc, with the users hand nowhere near the phone. In fact, the person could stand 100 yards away and zoom in and see the signal gone with just a staple covering the black line.

Basically what I'm saying is, just because the result is similar does not mean its the same issue.

They should have announced a hardware fix, along with the bumpers for now. A simple polymer coating of the antennae, to reduce conductivity, would have fixed the problem, not required new FCC approval, and cost probably 25 cents per phone to implement.

Message was edited by: kre62

iPhone4, iOS 4

Posted on Jul 16, 2010 12:30 PM

313 replies

Jul 16, 2010 4:41 PM in response to ouimetnick

ouimetnick wrote:
You sure are a blind iSheep/fanboy. They have been fighting for Steve the entire day. Listen fanboy. If Joe buys an iPhone 3GS In June 2009, and likes it a lot, he will get an iPhone 4. But He choses to sell the iPhone 3GS to get an iPhone 4. So he spends his $$$ on a POS iPhone 4. He then has this antenna issue, and never had it on his 3GS. He can return it, but be with out an iPhone. Why did Apple release such a flawed POS to begin with? Shouldn't Joe be able to trust a 60 billion dollar company that makes stuff "just work"? BTW, I don't have the antenna issues with my 3GS, but when using an iPhone 4, I get the antenna issues. Even if I'm in the same location. Also, I do grip the other phones that Apple claims have the same isue, and yes the bars drop. However they drop 1 or 2 bars. The iPhone 4 even with iOS 4.0.1 drops from 4 to "Searching" and the call is dropped. AND the 3GS doesn't do that even in the same location, nor do other phones. I've tried to cup other phones with no luck dropping the call. With the magical POS iPhone 4, a simple dive will bridge the antennas dropping the call to Searching. Gripping does the same. I tested this on 8 iPhones at the Apple Store. Get your head out of your ***. This is a real issue. You fanboys/iSheep believe everything SJ says. Pathetic people.

I have been one of those FANBOYS. Until today. Buh-bye. iPhone 4.

Oh, and 'don't hold it that way.' WHAT BALONEY.

Jul 16, 2010 4:43 PM in response to KC7GNM

Fanboy, When are you going to get this through your small head? Apple bragged about how nice the phone looks. Now they ****** up, so they recommend you put a FUGLY BUMPER over the BEATUIFUL DESIGN. ALSO THE BUMPER IS JUST A BAND AID SOLUTION. A brick wall is smarter that you and the other screwed up iSheep/******** fanboys.

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Jul 16, 2010 4:43 PM in response to KC7GNM

Try to avoid trying to reason with a paid shill.

Perfect example why this country is going down the tubes. Have you noticed a company with a problem that is unionized is never attacked by the media or paid shills?

There is nothing, absolutely nothing that will make these toes happy. Tell them since they are so unhappy and have no respect or trust for Apple to return their iPhone for payment credit, you are somehow defending Apple and the typical non-original spewed from Microslop sheep - you are a Kool-Aid drinker and fanboy. Sniff, sniff. The same losers will be posting the same after they have returned their iPhone for payment credit, if the paid shills even have an iPhone.

KC7GNM

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Jul 16, 2010 4:51 PM in response to ouimetnick

ouimetnick wrote:
You sure are a blind iSheep/fanboy. They have been fighting for Steve the entire day. Listen fanboy. If Joe buys an iPhone 3GS In June 2009, and likes it a lot, he will get an iPhone 4. But He choses to sell the iPhone 3GS to get an iPhone 4. So he spends his $$$ on a POS iPhone 4. He then has this antenna issue, and never had it on his 3GS. He can return it, but be with out an iPhone. Why did Apple release such a flawed POS to begin with? Shouldn't Joe be able to trust a 60 billion dollar company that makes stuff "just work"? BTW, I don't have the antenna issues with my 3GS, but when using an iPhone 4, I get the antenna issues. Even if I'm in the same location. Also, I do grip the other phones that Apple claims have the same isue, and yes the bars drop. However they drop 1 or 2 bars. The iPhone 4 even with iOS 4.0.1 drops from 4 to "Searching" and the call is dropped. AND the 3GS doesn't do that even in the same location, nor do other phones. I've tried to cup other phones with no luck dropping the call. With the magical POS iPhone 4, a simple dive will bridge the antennas dropping the call to Searching. Gripping does the same. I tested this on 8 iPhones at the Apple Store. Get your head out of your ***. This is a real issue. You fanboys/iSheep believe everything SJ says. Pathetic people.

Wow you are such an idiot. You do realize that apple still sells the 3GS for $99, right? If he got just the basic 16 gig iphone 4 and returned it he can get a brand new 3GS for half that price and then he can go have a good dinner with the rest of the money.

BTW you really need to watch this video I made of the 3G dropping service altogether.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnvI0mAvm6k

Jul 16, 2010 4:52 PM in response to ouimetnick

Blah, blah, blah - bahhhhhh, way too long to read sheepboi.

Learn to use paragraphs - maybe someone would be interested in trying to read your tripe if it was broken up somewhat - into paragraphs that the lack of using is a sure sign of intellect, or lack thereof.

If you have an iPhone 4 sheepboi, return it for payment credit. Don't you have an antivirus, anti-adware, anti-spyware, and anti-whatever to run on that swiss cheese for security garbage?

vidguy7

Level 1

10 points

Jul 16, 2010 4:53 PM in response to Allan Sampson

Allan Sampson wrote:

This doesn't change the fact that Apple is incorrect on the antennae issue.

Baloney.

Apple's 18 PHD engineers in this area are incorrect, but you are right.

Please list your credentials in this area.

Allan, it appears one of them (despite Mr. Job's denial) discussed the inevitability of these issues long before the phone went in to production. It's hard to believe that some reputable outlets just made this stuff up. I am inclined to believe the stories.

I'm more inclined to believe them when Mr. Jobs tells us that the I4 has better reception than the 3GS but later, in the conference, tell us it 'only' experiences 1% more dropped calls. That's not my definition of better reception and I'd contest that it's only 1%. How can a phone that drops more calls have better reception. Have you thought about how he came up with 1%? Did he survey you, me, ANYONE on this forum...anyone in the WORLD? I simply don't believe everything this man says.

jlindh

Level 2

270 points

Jul 16, 2010 4:53 PM in response to caughtredhanded

I think you may be misunderstanding the statistic. SJ said that less than one call per hundred more calls were being dropped on the iPhone 4 than on the 3GS, NOT less than 1% more. If the 3GS is dropping 1 call per hundred and the iPhone 4 is dropping 1 more, then the rate of dropped calls is doubled!

Without the actual rate per 100 for the 3GS, the statistic is mostly meaningless except to say that the TOTAL number of dropped calls is not too high.

Jul 16, 2010 5:19 PM in response to ouimetnick

Do you HAVE to have an iphone4? what is the matter with you? FOR YOU it clearly has an irreconcilable flaw.

I read earlier you sold your iphone 3 BEFORE trying the iphone 4. You can 'trust' apple about as much as you can trust ANY stranger or company. BP ring a bell? Ever heard the term buyer beware?

BIG difference here is that apple will take their product back no questions asked and give you ALL your money back. They are not responsible for your foolish life decisions outside of the simple act of purchasing iphone4.

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Jul 16, 2010 4:59 PM in response to audionaut

You are clearly MISSING the point. WHY DID APPLE RELEASE A FLAWED PRODUCT IN THE FIRST PLACE? Joe shouldn't need to go through the hassle of bringing it back and going on eBay to get another iPhone 3GS 16GB. Apple should have tested it properly BEFORE releasing it.

vidguy7

Level 1

10 points

Jul 16, 2010 5:02 PM in response to Zebra1

Zebra1 wrote:
Apple should not have offered free bumpers. Based on the numbers, and my own experience and others I know with the phone, it is a non-issue.

Apple has taken a lot of money out of its own pocket for all their iPhone 4 customers.

Those who don't like it, may return their phones.

Based on the numbers, based on YOUR experience? Oh brother! Did you ever stop to think as to whether or not there is ANY validity to the numbers that Jobs posted? Do you believe EVERYTHING this guy tells you? Did you get surveyed by Apple? Did I? Did ANYONE here? People people THINK THINK THINK. Anyone can throw out any number they choose, but where is the data backup? He's be laughed out of any REAL internal meeting in any corporation if he had no real backup for these numbers. I haven't heard of anyone in the WORLD having been called by Apple for their opinion on reception. Did everyone with problems call Apple? Did some people return their phone and never call? Will there be a FLOOD of returns as the 30 day return period comes to an end.

I just don't know how to spell this out any more clearly for the Kool-Aid drinkers here, but I've come to learn that there is absolutely no reasoning with so many here. It's Apple, it's fantastic, it's perfect, it's God's gift to humanity, I don't want to hear anything negative. Man oh man.

There is no talking to the Apple crowd, they are just to far gone to use the brain they were given to actually think these things through, CHALLENGE when there is no substantiation to the claims.

vidguy7

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Jul 16, 2010 5:05 PM in response to caughtredhanded

caughtredhanded wrote:
I can't believe people are actually still talking about this. <1% more calls are dropped than the iPhone 3GS. Enough said. End of. Move along...</div>

NO buddy, NOT 'enough said'. YOUR God, Mr. Steve Jobs, was caught in a LIE and I seem to be the ONLY one calling him on it. He has said on countless occasions the Iphone 4 has BETTER reception than the 3GS. So how can it even drop .000000000000001% more calls than the 3GS? Do ANY of you guys think...ANY? Hello...Earth to Apple Kool-Aid drinkers...HELLO?????

Jul 16, 2010 5:07 PM in response to vidguy7

vidguy7 wrote:

caughtredhanded wrote:
I can't believe people are actually still talking about this. <1% more calls are dropped than the iPhone 3GS. Enough said. End of. Move along...</div>

NO buddy, NOT 'enough said'. YOUR God, Mr. Steve Jobs, was caught in a LIE and I seem to be the ONLY one calling him on it. He has said on countless occasions the Iphone 4 has BETTER reception than the 3GS. So how can it even drop .000000000000001% more calls than the 3GS? Do ANY of you guys think...ANY? Hello...Earth to Apple Kool-Aid drinkers...HELLO?????

The ARROGANCE on that stage this morning made me sick to my stomach. I expected Apple to do the right thing and fix the design flaw.

Jul 16, 2010 5:09 PM in response to vidguy7

Allan, it appears one of them (despite Mr. Job's denial) discussed the inevitability of these issues long before the phone went in to production. It's hard to believe that some reputable outlets just made this stuff up. I am inclined to believe the stories.

Of course you are inclined to believe the "stories". You have made that abundantly clear over the last 2 weeks. I read this and other things like it over the last 2 weeks without chiming in but after today, I can'ts stands no more.

He indicated where he got the dropped call data from. Sorry, but your listening and watching skills need a little work. You were also the one that said it was clear as day that Steve Jobs did not have a wi-fi connection during the iPhone 4 demonstration when there was an internet connection problem, which I proved wrong.

As I already said, since you believe the "stories" and don't believe everything this man says - how about absolutely nothing this man says, you should return your iPhone for payment credit ASAP. Don't want to hear excuses about not having another phone. You can get another via AT&T, or port your number to another carrier - all in the same day.

Why put yourself thru this grief and aggravation? It isn't going to change for you. If I was in the same position, I darn sure wouldn't be wasting my time here. I would get my money back and get another phone.

vidguy7

Level 1

10 points

Jul 16, 2010 5:08 PM in response to menace2society

menace2society wrote:
what i dont get is, they're holding each phone a little different than the other. hold every phone the same way as the iphone, then show us the signal drops

Correct! If a manufacturer has the foresight to put the antenna where it knows the vast majority of people will never touch, then it becomes a non-issue. Put it EXTERNAL TO THE CASE and where a huge number of people WILL put their hands and you DO have a problem. That is just a HUGE HUGE difference. The variation of where the hands were placed in the Apple propoganda is just another way to rig a 'scientific experiment'. The fact is this was so far from being a 'scientific experiment' that it's not even funny.

rrahimi

Level 3

615 points

Jul 16, 2010 5:11 PM in response to KC7GNM

Then why did they say it's like all other phones? Do they also get shorted by touching the antenna? Of course not. Apple put the antenna where it can be touched and shorted by a little sweat on your hand, called it a revolution in design... well it was revolutionary, except not in a good way.

So if the signal drop is caused by the hand physically blocking antennae...