So if the signal drop is caused by the hand physically blocking antennae...

audionaut wrote:
oh my god. I've not seen a bigger collection of people whining about a PHONE since, well the first iphone release.

And I GUARANTEE if you or any of the other Apple Fanboys bought a Samsung, Motorola, LG or any other brand OTHER THAN Apple, and you had the same problems, you'd be +screaming bloody murder+. In these parts Apple gets a pass for anything and everything. Really really sad. This is not an attitude that breeds excellence...far from it. When a manufacturer sees what they can get away with, do you really expect them to build a better mousetrap?

ALL cell phones are flawed if you are talking about signal attenuation by wrapping the receiver in meat. So much so that it's like saying the sun is flawed because you get sunburnt.

ALL CELL PHONES LOSE SIGNAL (most likely MORE so than the iphone4) when you put your hand around it. How many were even aware of this before the iPhone4 came out. Was it not a problem before? Then why is it a problem now? And if it IS a problem now then why doesn't the EVIDENCE show that the iphone4 drops more calls?

Yes you can come up with some example of how the iPhone4 can be made to drop a signal by intentionally bridging the antennae, but WHY on earth would you tape a paperclip to the side of your phone? maybe because it makes for something to talk about? The only time you'll ever touch that part of the phone during normal use is if you wrap your ham-hock around the phone. See paragraph one. That's what is called a design decision. I make them all the time when it comes to speed vs reliability vs compatability, etc in the stuff I design. If you don't like the way they made the product (read, the choices and tradeoffs they made) then TAKE IT BACK!

Zebra1 wrote:

When has Steve Jobs NOT been utterly arrogant?

Today!

http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/100716iab73asc/event/index.html

Actually, as I think about it after reading too many of your posts, I can clearly see why you would be unable to see the arrogance in Steve Jobs. In fact, as I read other posts from your buddies, it's also clear why THEY wouldn't see the arrogance. I've never seen a crowd so utterly filled with arrogance. The way too common theme on this forum is to attack the messenger, call that person names and belittle them in every way imaginable. I've been on many forums and have never ever seen such a hostile crowd when their beloved brand gets criticized.

Zebra1 wrote:
Return that phone and be done with it.

We''ll be done with you too, I only hope.

You're not my customer. I'm not Steve. Following your response, I really don't care about you ONE BIT!

BYE!

Apparently you do or you wouldn't respond to every single post of every single person who has anything negative to say about the I4. Your actions speak louder than your hollow words.

michele27 wrote:
Just tried the Death grip on my bfs 3GS and my friends blackjack 2, both lost all bars...

Just tried the 'death grip' on my wife's 3GS and lost NO bars.

No I wouldn't.

I would return the darn thing for another phone because that is more important to me than anything - unless I'm a paid shill. I darn sure wouldn't spend two weeks or longer on their technical support website saying the CEO can't be trusted, he is arrogant, I can't believe anything he or the company says, anyone that likes the phone and says they aren't experiencing the same are drinking the company Kool-Aid and are company fanboys since I have problems and they don't agree with me.

Are you kidding me?

My god man. Who cares what anyone else would do? You need to do what you need to do, so JUST DO IT. If you are still posting here with the same attacks and comments after your iPhone is returned, this will prove you are a paid shill, or there is something seriously wrong with you.

No I wouldn't.

I would return the darn thing for another phone because that is more important to me than anything - unless I'm a paid shill. I darn sure wouldn't spend two weeks or longer on their technical support website saying the CEO can't be trusted, he is arrogant, I can't believe anything he or the company says, anyone that likes the phone and says they aren't experiencing the same are drinking the company Kool-Aid and are company fanboys since I have problems and they don't agree with me.

Are you kidding me?

My god man. Who cares what anyone else would do? You need to do what you need to do, so JUST DO IT. If you are still posting here with the same attacks and comments after your iPhone is returned, this will prove you are a paid shill, or there is something seriously wrong with you.

vidguy7 wrote:

michele27 wrote:
Just tried the Death grip on my bfs 3GS and my friends blackjack 2, both lost all bars...

Just tried the 'death grip' on my wife's 3GS and lost NO bars.

vidguy7. They BADLY POOCHED the design and now they can't handle the result of negligent craftsmanship. It won't hold up in court. Apple has a BIG black eye today.

kre62 wrote:
And the iphone4 antennae can be detuned by any object bridging the black line. Thus this problem is iphone4 only.

Detuning can occur due to conductors or hands in close proximity to an antenna. So it can and does occur with all cell phones to some extent.

Phil

Allan Sampson wrote:
there is something seriously wrong with you.

I've read enough of his posts to be convinced this is the cause.

Phil

w7ox wrote:

kre62 wrote:
And the iphone4 antennae can be detuned by any object bridging the black line. Thus this problem is iphone4 only.

Detuning can occur due to conductors or hands in close proximity to an antenna. So it can and does occur with all cell phones to some extent.

Phil

I just remember the CEO standing on that stage touting the new antenna in the iPhone 4. What a joke!!!

I agree with rbrylawski...

Anyone notice that it also doesn't work underwater?... Just wondering.

Remember folks, this is very high end RADIO we're holding. It could have been designed like the old style with a 3 foot pull out antenna, but it's not (thank god). It hurts to look cool. :-/

kre62 wrote:
Apple is trying to convince us that this issue "exists in all smartphones" and that its caused by the hand physically blocking the antennae. Heres their education on it:

http://www.apple.com/antenna/

However, if the case is the hand blocking the antennae, as they want us to believe, then how come the iPhone4's signal problems can be reproduced without even touching the phone?

There are many videos of the phones antennae being shorted with a house key, part of a paper clip, etc, with the users hand nowhere near the phone. In fact, the person could stand 100 yards away and zoom in and see the signal gone with just a staple covering the black line.

Basically what I'm saying is, just because the result is similar does not mean its the same issue.

They should have announced a hardware fix, along with the bumpers for now. A simple polymer coating of the antennae, to reduce conductivity, would have fixed the problem, not required new FCC approval, and cost probably 25 cents per phone to implement.

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kre62 wrote:
Apple is trying to convince us that this issue "exists in all smartphones" and that its caused by the hand physically blocking the antennae. Heres their education on it:

http://www.apple.com/antenna/

However, if the case is the hand blocking the antennae, as they want us to believe, then how come the iPhone4's signal problems can be reproduced without even touching the phone?

There are many videos of the phones antennae being shorted with a house key, part of a paper clip, etc, with the users hand nowhere near the phone. In fact, the person could stand 100 yards away and zoom in and see the signal gone with just a staple covering the black line.

Basically what I'm saying is, just because the result is similar does not mean its the same issue.

They should have announced a hardware fix, along with the bumpers for now. A simple polymer coating of the antennae, to reduce conductivity, would have fixed the problem, not required new FCC approval, and cost probably 25 cents per phone to implement.

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Originally Posted by RickieVz
After being a 5 year subscriber to Consumer Report I have cancelled my subscription. The lady asked me why, and I told her because of the stupid report you guys did regarding the iPhone 4 without having data and not knowing that other smartphone has the same problem.

She told me I wasn't the first to cancel.
If your phone lost reception when you touched the 'sweet spot' with one finger, and dropped a call in under 10 seconds, would you still be upset with Consumer Reports? That's exactly the problem I had before returning my phone.

I don't understand why everyone is so upset with CR. I'm a consumer, I have the issue, and they attempted to reproduce it because the "issue" exploded in the media. They were able to reproduce it and although they give it excellent marks in nearly all categories, they can't recommend it because there is a major design issue, even if it is only affecting a small number of people.

Why is that so wrong? It's not like Consumer Reports doesn't provide their entire review. Readers can decide for themselves.

-MacRumors Forums.

Why should CR recommend iPhone 4 just because Job's provided a band-aid to "fix" a shotgun wound? I left Apple for Android and I am happy about it. But my phone has problems of it's own. I think it's a shame to cover up the design of a 4 with a rubber band, but I would do it. Jobs is not going to do anything more. He is one stubborn *******, one super rich *******. Good for him.

Bottom line, I will continue to say the iphone ***** and you will continue to say android *****. We need to vent our anger somehow. Life goes on.

P.S. As Mel Gibson would say, Chuck Schumer can blow me first. The market will determine any punishment, the government can F off!

Both of these messages are from MacRumors. I agree with them 100%

If opening the press conference with that You Tube song slamming customers was not Arrogance, I don't know what is. That was Pure Arrogance.