So if the signal drop is caused by the hand physically blocking antennae...

Dan Slocum wrote:

I just remember the CEO standing on that stage touting the new antenna in the iPhone 4. What a joke!!!

And Dan, I PROVED that he lied about the reception and all these guys do is attack ME!!!! It's FANTASTIC...no, it's scary. If Stevey told them to jump off a bridge, I have no doubt some would. I've never seen such a case of idol worship.

Just because I happen to use a PC doesn't make me a MS Fanboy. I've never defended them nor do I take everything Bill Gates says as Gospel like you people here do with Stevie Wonder. Actually, I was never a fan of Gates. Where do you come off accusing me of that. Typical Apple Fandom actions. Accuse, name calling, insults. that's all you people know.

ouimetnick wrote:

I don't understand why everyone is so upset with CR. I'm a consumer, I have the issue, and they attempted to reproduce it because the "issue" exploded in the media. They were able to reproduce it and although they give it excellent marks in nearly all categories, they can't recommend it because there is a major design issue, even if it is only affecting a small number of people.

Why is that so wrong? It's not like Consumer Reports doesn't provide their entire review. Readers can decide for themselves.

Because this is PRECISELY the same 'greeting' that anyone that comes here with issues receives. Why would they treat criticism from CR any differently? This is a sick crowd, it really truly is. The old saying 'shoot the messenger' couldn't be any truer with this crowd.

Because Allan is a blind iSheep/fanboy. I'm not a fanboy, I'm not an Apple hater. The fanboys think I'm trolling. I'm just pointing out a failure and that Steve Jobs lied. Thats the TRUTH! While if you are not happy, return it while you can, and get something that you enjoy using. However, I do think we should be bashing Apple, and continue to do so, because this is a design flaw and a hardware issue. If other iPhones and other phones had this issue, why didn't they recieve as much complaints? Answer. Looking at the videos at Apple, they were gripping the other phones in an UNNATURAL WAY. But just touching the black grove lightly (Naturally) will kill your signal COMPLETELY. Gripping these other phones didn't make them go into searching.

As noticed by vidguy7, Steve Jobs did lie. He said the iPhone 4 gets better reception than the iPhone 3GS and that is NOT TRUE.

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AvgGuy wrote:
says the man with 49,000 posts, whos the paid shill here?

Now THAT'S funny!!!! Touche!!!!

ouimetnick wrote:
Because Allan is a blind iSheep/fanboy. I'm not a fanboy, I'm not an Apple hater. The fanboys think I'm trolling. I'm just pointing out a failure and that Steve Jobs lied. Thats the TRUTH! While if you are not happy, return it while you can, and get something that you enjoy using. However, I do think we should be bashing Apple, and continue to do so, because this is a design flaw and a hardware issue. If other iPhones and other phones had this issue, why didn't they recieve as much complaints? Answer. Looking at the videos at Apple, they were gripping the other phones in an UNNATURAL WAY. But just touching the black grove lightly (Naturally) will kill your signal COMPLETELY. Gripping these other phones didn't make them go into searching.

As noticed by vidguy7, Steve Jobs did lie. He said the iPhone 4 gets better reception than the iPhone 3GS and that is NOT TRUE.

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You've nailed it!!

I watched threads he has been posting in, and he does not participate in "healthy" discussions. He calls people out for the very same that he does - name calling and labeling.

The iPhone is a turkey for you, then return it. That does not mean it is a turkey for everyone. It has not been a turkey for me but if it were, I would return it. I have not been trying to convince anyone their reported problems are not real or made up, but I darn sure am not going to be told I have a problem when I don't, which is exactly what you are doing now. And for want purpose or gain?

I couldn't care less about public perception. I care if the device I purchased works for me. If it didn't, I would return it, and I darn sure wouldn't spend any time trying to convince others they should return theirs as well. I'm not trying to covince anyone to keep it. On the contrary.

No one has named me the chief, but I know a turkey when I see a turkey posting the same over and over and over and over again which isn't going to change anything. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

and if they refused to return your money I completely see how you have a point.

Oh .. wait....

This is not a software bug or design mistake. The design of the antenna system is intentional. I believe them when they say didn't think it would be a big deal because I didn't and don't. When they announced, months ago, that the metal bands were the antennae and I saw the pictures i highly suspected you could attenuate the signal by bridging the 2 bands but i bought it anyway. It's obvious to me. But let's say it's not to Joe public. YOU CAN TAKE IT BACK.

The only way I can see having a problem with this is either you MUST have an iPhone for some irrational reason, or you're upset because you have to do a little extra work to return it.

One more time. Even if apple lied. Even if they're arrogant. Even if they ran your dog over. You are a consumer, be a responsible one. Return the crap and buy the stuff that works for you.

It's a big difference in my mind between a PRODUCT not being acceptable and the way Steve Jobs has conducted himself as the CEO of Apple. He has LIED to the purchasers and to his stockholders. It's one thing to simply return a product because of performance issues and it's an entirely different thing to see a company so condescend to its purchasers.

The post where you quoted me, I want to make it clear. I was quoting a fanboy from MacRumors.

I'm talking about this below. I didn't write that. A fanboy/iSheep from www.macrumors.com did.


I don't understand why everyone is so upset with CR. I'm a consumer, I have the issue, and they attempted to reproduce it because the "issue" exploded in the media. They were able to reproduce it and although they give it excellent marks in nearly all categories, they can't recommend it because there is a major design issue, even if it is only affecting a small number of people.

Why is that so wrong? It's not like Consumer Reports doesn't provide their entire review. Readers can decide for themselves.

As I said before, your selective watching and listening skills need some work.

Mr. Jobs says he does not know why for sure but he has a pretty good idea which he provided. Watch it again Microsoft Sheep - how does the back end of all those sheep you follow smell?

Allan Sampson wrote:
I watched threads he has been posting in, and he does not participate in "healthy" discussions. He calls people out for the very same that he does - name calling and labeling.

The iPhone is a turkey for you, then return it. That does not mean it is a turkey for everyone. It has not been a turkey for me but if it were, I would return it. I have not been trying to convince anyone their reported problems are not real or made up, but I darn sure am not going to be told I have a problem when I don't, which is exactly what you are doing now. And for want purpose or gain?

I couldn't care less about public perception. I care if the device I purchased works for me. If it didn't, I would return it, and I darn sure wouldn't spend any time trying to convince others they should return theirs as well. I'm not trying to covince anyone to keep it. On the contrary.

No one has named me the chief, but I know a turkey when I see a turkey posting the same over and over and over and over again which isn't going to change anything. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Swing by my neighborhood and try your UNAFFECTED phone. Jobs lied. You are defending him and your once sterling reputation is trashed in my book. Big Fish in a little pond. You should get out more.

audionaut wrote:
Well, I currently own Samsung, Motorola, LG and several other manufacturers products. The ones I didn't like, I didn't buy. The ones I thought would work but didn't, got returned. That's the away an ADULT manages his purchases. Apple is no exception to those rules. I have both returned and decided not to buy apple products.

THIS phone is acceptable to me. It is my opinion, having used every previous model of iPhone, that it is the best one yet. There were far worse problems with some of the others.

Apparently it is not acceptable to others. I would EXPECT them not to buy or if they already bought to return it and look for a better solution. But I must be out of touch with reality because it seems that the correct response is to make a shortcoming with a phone into a political discussion and cry like a little ***** on a message board.

This is the most sane post I have read from someone that was not satisfied with the iphone 4. At least you manned up and didn't cry like avgguy is and a few others are on here. They need to man up too and just return it if they feel it is not meeting their needs. Obviously it is because avgguy refuses to give his back.

Allan, you seem to have the same 'theme' as do all the other Apple Kool-Aid drinkers. Say something less than 'awe inspiring' about an Apple product and you are attacked, name-called and treated like dirt. Your 'dire' consequences about people with legitimate issues continuing to post here are truly scary. I mean just the thought that, according to you, "If you don't and/or are still posting here tomorrow, you either don't have an iPhone 4, you are a paid shill, or you have some very serious problems." is enough to scare anyone away.

As AvgGuy said, the bullying tactics of the Apple gangsters around here is truly repulsive. You guys are incapable of having conversations. You guys are incapable of discussing ISSUES. If we have something negative to say we are called a name. The best case scenario is that we are asked for our 'credentials', because after all, if we drop calls we MUST have a PHD in RF engineering to make such a claim.

Are you really that insecure? Are you really that intolerant? Is this the way you tread people in other areas of your life? Shame Allan, shame on you.