Allergic to AirPod Pro eartips
I am having ear drainage when using my new AirPods pro.has anyone else experienced this problem?
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I am having ear drainage when using my new AirPods pro.has anyone else experienced this problem?
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Bought the APP recently and used them about 7-8 hours in total. Here is my current status.
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I will update the post as it develops.
Because of the high level of secrecy in developing products, Apple has to test these products in very small sample sizes. If a tiny, tiny, tiny (like, less than 0.01%) is allergic to something in the tips, the likelihood of the allergy appearing in trials is extremely low.
I'm not saying that it's not important to ID the material that does cause the allergy, it very much is! But Apple does point out here (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211158) that their audio devices have acrylates and methacrylates in them, so it might be that any allergies that do show up in trials are chalked up to those materials and therefore get lumped in with the nickel allergy that prevents some people from using Apple Watches—which is to say that Apple feels their due diligence is letting those people that are allergic to those things know, and they can proceed at their own risk.
The important thing we're doing here is raising awareness for the small % that are affected, trying to find solutions, workarounds, and to report the issue as much as possible.
Think the comment about going back to old AirPods was meant for someone else.
Worth mentioning however that this issue seems to be present on the Powerbeats Pro too. I was considering them as a replacement but found reports of the issue effecting them on Google. For example: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251049449
This is fascinating. With memory foam tips working for some and not others (they don't work for me), it's seeming like there's people in this thread with silicone allergy and possibly an allergy to the hard plastic acrylates referenced in this article https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211158
I ordered a pair of the new Bose NC Earbuds to test and they just got here today, so I'll report back with how my ears react. I've been using my silicone-tipped Bose Soundsport Wireless for a couple weeks no to no averse effects, hoping that the tips on the new ones are made of the same stuff...
I know there has been a lot of discussion about the silicone tips being the culprit, but I think it's worth taking a closer look at nickel as the possible cause of the reaction. After my initial reaction (same as what has been widely report here: itching, redness, scaling/peeling skin, weeping/discharge), I tried foam tips on the APPs that I initially thought fixed the problem, but it soon returned. I think because the foam was thicker than the silicone, it just took a little longer to react to the nickel.
I've since recently tried the new Bose Earbuds II, which have a NiCad (Nickel Cadmium) battery and immediately had the same reaction. This leaves me to believe that nickel is most likely the culprit, not the silicone that I initially thought.
I also noticed that Apple has created the following web page that warns of potential allergic reactions to nickel (and other substances) in AirPods, EarPods and Beats: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211158
It is obsolete suggesting to reach out for Apple Support by the link (https://getsupport.apple.com/) as the APP are not listed under "my Devices" when being asked to choose a product...
We might expect a more profound comment instead of a text module(?)
Thank you for your efforts.
Apple does warn people about potential issues. See the section “For those sensitive to certain materials”
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204665
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211158
I understand a warning doesn’t pop up when you pair the device with your phone, but it’s not that different than a candy bar manufacturer writing “manufactured in a facility that also processes nuts” in tiny, tiny font on their wrapper.
You’re absolutely right in thinking that we were blindsided by this issue, and that Apple should have been more careful in choosing materials. But they did the tests, evidenced in the links above, and made the decision that it was worth it to still put out the product, the same as that candy bar manufacturer puts its product on a grocery store shelf.
I truly appreciate the seriousness of this issue, I suffered like all of you and took the time to experiment and contact Apple support. But when it’s asserted that the people in this thread will tell others about the issue and it will affect Apple’s sales...that’s like saying people who are allergic to peanut butter will get people not allergic to peanut butter to affect Skippy’s bottom line.
I mean...look at the length to which the people in this thread have gone in effort to continue to use a product that’s actively injuring them, instead of just stopping use. Spending money on new tips, coverings, swapping out the product, spending time experimenting on themselves. People who’ve given up because of the reaction walk away still saying, “Wow, that was such a great product despite the issue I had! This is a real bummer.” How would someone who’s unaffected by the APPs justify not experiencing some of the best ANC in earbud form based on a friend or stranger telling them they had a problem?
Even if this forum represented a small drop of those actually affected, there are maybe 100 unique users posting here multiple times over the course of what’s now 101 pages. Even if we here represented 100 out of 100,000 people affected, that’s still less that than 1% of all of the APPs sold.
Look at a true, widespread issue of Apple’s. The battery issue that happened three years ago was chaos, because it was something that a vast minority of users were experiencing. The logic board failures on the iPhone 8, the keyboards on the MacBook Pros were especially insane. That was affecting something like 20% of users! That’s the point when Apple’s hands are forced, and yeah it affects their bottom line. They replaced keyboards over and over again for free, and ultimately remodeled their entire portable computer line...after four years of the issue ongoing.
Again, I’m not saying to “deal with it.” I’m saying, our bodies have shown us something that they don’t respond well to, to put it mildly. It is amazingly unlucky and messed up, but most of us are lucky to have gotten away without permanent damage. Apple is not going to stop selling their highest selling product unless the issue is proven to be widespread, which is just not the case. We have evidence of what a widespread acknowledged-by-Apple incident looks like, and this is not it. We also have evidence of what a small-scale, acknowledged-by-Apple incident looks like (Apple Watch), and our APP situation appears to be even smaller than that.
Please stop using the APP if you’re having a bad reaction to it. Absolutely tell others about your issue. I just really would not expect those people to stop enjoying the product when they’re not experiencing an issue themselves, or hearing widespread reports of it causing issues.
Lol, I am the person who made that lengthy post yesterday! So I appreciate the polite rebuke and the compliment at the same time.
I agree, the nut allergy is an extreme example, and Monsanto is a better one, but my point is really that someone had to learn about their food allergy at some point, either by unfortunate experience or in a controlled lab setting. Nuts are ubiquitous, nearly unavoidable, and really deadly for people allergic, so obviously a high priority to figure that stuff out young.
These weird chemicals that Apple is using—how would we ever know to watch out for that? So yes, I agree with you, it’s different from peanut butter. But Apple’s treating it the same.
Methacrylates and plastics and the other chemicals listed on that page encompass a very broad range of possible substances. Honestly I would not be surprised if the plastic in the APPs was different from the original Air Pods.
You’re on the money with Apple using something proprietary. I do believe one of those pages contains a link to a very lengthy document on the guidelines Apple follows for its wearable items.
Here it is: https://www.apple.com/support/assets/docs/products/watch/Restricted_Chemicals_for_Wearables.pdf
I don’t know a whole lot about this stuff, but essentially Apple is following the guidelines laid out by various health and safety orgs.
I completely agree that it’s NOT ok to say “hey, you don’t like it, change the rules,” because that is a pretty big problem with a lot of aspects of the world.
What I take away from this is really that Apple isn’t much different than any of the big, powerful entities out there. They operate on percentages and statistics, too, and if “a couple” (hundred thousand) fall by the wayside, that’s just a small cost to them.
But they will do their best to refund you if they can in the meantime 😂
Thank you again for the reply.
Well heres what Apple stated:
From: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211158
AirPods, AirPods Pro, Earpods, and Beats earphones: plastic housing and (if applicable) silicone ear tip, stainless steel acoustic mesh, thermoplastic elastomer cable, and thermoplastic elastomer earhook.
Nickel. The stainless steel acoustic mesh of AirPods, AirPods Pro, and EarPods each contain some nickel. However, they all fall below the strict nickel restrictions set by European REACH regulation. Therefore, while nickel exposure is unlikely to be a problem, you should be aware of the possibility in case you're susceptible to nickel-related reactions.
Acrylates. AirPods, AirPods Pro, AirPods Max, EarPods, and Beats headphone and earphone products contain trace amounts of acrylates and methacrylates from adhesives. Acrylates and methacrylates are found in many consumer products that come in contact with the skin, such as adhesive bandages. Some people may be sensitive to them, or may develop sensitivities over time.
Like I said, if you are experiencing a reaction to silicone, try an ear tip of a different material. You can complain to me about how other silicone tips won't cause reactions but that wont magically stop your allergies. Just take action and switch out your ear tips.
Also,
foxtail_77 said:
It is not the silicon. Many (most?) of us have used other silicon earbuds for years without any problems, until the APPs.
Well most of us that have used other silicon earbuds are also not having any problems with the APPs. Allergies are unique to different people.
Most people experience the symptoms even with other tips. This thread has over 100 pages…
I had the problems after a replacement by Apple. And this warning page has only existed since December. The service program because of sound issues started at the end of October ... Strange...
https://support.apple.com/airpods-pro-service-program-sound-issues
Hi folks...I've had a similar problem with Powerbeat Pros and a few other brands, so thought I would post what I've found out.
Apple posted a statement about what their earbuds contain that may trigger reactions (kudos to them for doing that since many manufacturers do not)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211158
I believe for most of us, the issue has to do with a developed sensitivity to Acrylates. I believe they use it as they increase the water resistance of their products (methacrylate is used in waterproofing a variety of substances). I do not believe it is the tips (although the tips may also include the substances) because I had a reaction to my outer ear as well as any other place the earbud touched for 30 min or more.
If you search, the symptoms are identical for most folks having a problem (itchiness, redness, clear fluid discharge, crustiness), which with further searching is something called Contact Dermatitis. Once the symptoms start, you will always have that sensitivity (this happens with nail salon employees sometimes where their products contain acrylates) so you'll need to avoid it.
The final piece of this that made me fairly certain it's the water proofing is that I also have a pair of Sony True Wireless earbuds with no water resistance, and those are fine. But pretty much any other earbud I wear that is treated for water resistance has caused a problem (although I'm still checking a few).
It is unlikely manufacturers will change the composition of their products, which is a shame. And there are fewer and fewer alternatives available that do not contain some level of water resistance, which means they may contain acrylates. I would just give a few different options a try, and maybe you'll find one that uses a different process that works.
Sorry for everyone who is having an issue....it really sucks!
For all of you who have complained on this thread and want to contact Apple, you can call Apple Customer Support and talk to a live person. Apple does not always read the Apple Community threads, but they will listen if you call them. To reach Customer Support, click https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201232 to find the correct phone number.
The more of us who actually call them, the bigger the attention will be given to the AirPod Pro eartips irritating our ears.
Don't get the Airpod Max as you'll have the same issue. I thought switching would solve my problem, but now my whole ear is on fire instead of just the inside...
It appears the problem is most likely with Acrylates. It's a chemical (sensitizer) used in the plastic and glue, etc.
Apple put up a support article on it: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211158
Specifically this stuff here:
For new members, here is the rundown of our most common experiences in this group with AirPod Pros:
Common Symptoms
Remedies
And to accompany the Apple support reminder, below is a rundown of our most common symptoms reported in this group with the AirPod Pros.
Common Symptoms
Remedies
Allergic to AirPod Pro eartips