scroll bar in safari no longer hides

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scroll bar in safari no longer hides

Hi

I have just upgraded my Mac mini so Catalina is now version 10.15.1 and safari is 13.0.3.

Since doing so Safari no longer fades out the scroll bar, note that the same happens in Firefox.

The problem is very distracting because when, for example, a page is displayed that has a side menu that prevents scrolling the pages body while the menu is open, now jumps slightly left and right every time the menu is displayed and hidden as it first hides the scroll bar, giving up some width, and then takes it back again when it reappears.

I.e. the scrollbar no longer fades in and out without affecting the layout of the page.

I checked the accessibility options and various other options but couldn't find any clues.

I have two others machines, one with an older browser and one with 13.0.4 and both display as I would expect.

I'm hoping someone out there has a fix, or its a bug that will get fixed.

Cheers

Mark

Posted on Dec 11, 2019 2:56 PM

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etresoft

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Dec 12, 2019 5:03 AM in response to MarkDCde

MarkDCde wrote:

I do, but I don't see it happening on other machines. And to be fair, why would it make a difference?

Because that’s what having a mouse connected does. A mouse has to be your only external pointing device. I just tried it on my MacBook Pro. Connecting the mouse didn’t do anything. I had to turn bluetooth off so that my Magic Trackpad wasn’t connected. That caused scroll bars to appear virtually everywhere. When I turned bluetooth back on, they went away again.

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etresoft

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Dec 11, 2019 2:57 PM in response to MarkDCde

Do you have a mouse plugged in? That will cause scroll bars to be displayed.

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MarkDCde Author

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Dec 11, 2019 3:17 PM in response to etresoft

I do, but I don't see it happening on other machines. And to be fair, why would it make a difference?

At the end of the day, if a mouse has a scroll wheel the machine doesn't need scroll bars, at least not for me.

Cheers

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MarkDCde Author

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Dec 11, 2019 3:29 PM in response to MarkDCde

As an aside, in case anyone thinks mouse wheels are more effort, I have mice whose wheels (if you click them down) spin freely and will scroll thousands of lines with one flick of the finger without needing to make contact with a scroll bar :o)... And they don't make any noise either.

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MarkDCde Author

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Dec 12, 2019 6:09 AM in response to etresoft

Interesting, will give it a go. I’d did have a Bluetooth track pad on at the time.

Either way, still no reason (logically) for the different behaviour, it adds no value. It’s just a pain, would like to know if there’s something I can do to prevent it. I noticed it testing a web page, seems very unprofessional :(

will confirm what happens later today, sprawled out with a bad back at the moment and don’t want to move.

thanks again...

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MarkDCde Author

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Dec 16, 2019 8:24 AM in response to MarkDCde

Etresoft is right that connecting a mouse causes this, but that doesn't solve the problem. Personally I can't see any valid reason for this behaviour and the "just because" answer doesn't wash. I'm off to Stak OF to see if there's a css fix.

Cheers

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MarkDCde Author

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Dec 11, 2019 3:20 PM in response to MarkDCde

Just to confirm, I just plugged a mouse into one of my laptops and it doesn't do the above, the scroll bar fades in and out like a good little unnecessary appendage ;o)

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