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16-inch MacBook Pro Bluetooth issue

I bought the new 16-inch MacBook Pro when it first came out and was happily using it until a week later my bluetooth stopped discovering devices, in particular my Magic Mouse and iPhone. I tried everything from resetting nvram, smc, resetting the bluetooth module, removing bluetooth.plist, downloaded bluetooth explorer and reset a bunch of settings etc and even went to the extent of completely formatting the computer and installing osx from scratch to no avail. Hardware diagnostics showed no hardware issues as well. The bluetooth device was showing up fine in System Report but it just wasn't discovering anything. I have a work laptop (2017 MacBook Pro) which I use side by side and it was working fine.


Long story short, I was able to replace the device at the Apple store I bought it at since it was within the 14 day return policy window. So I put it down to just being unlucky.


It's been a few weeks since then and I now have the same issue with the replacement laptop. This time though I think I know what triggered it.


I have a CalDigit dock that I use for my work laptop and occasionally have a usb bluetooth device attached to it for some work I do in virtual machines. The issue occurred when I connected my new MacBook to the dock along with the bluetooth dongle. The usb bluetooth dongle worked fine however when I disconnected the thunderbolt dock from the MacBook I noticed the bluetooth icon in the top right hand corner changed to an icon with a zigzag across it, obviously due to bluetooth device being disconnected.


Since disconnecting the external bluetooth device I'm having the same issue as I had previously, my MacBook Bluetooth device won't find any devices and is not recognized by other bluetooth devices like my iPhone/other MacBooks. I've gone through the whole process as before, and have resorted to a clean install of osx to no avail. I've even compared bluetoothd console logs between the working MacBook I have and the now broken one, the only difference is the working MacBook is able to detect devices when they are advertised, whereas the MacBook Pro 16-inch does not.


Digging into this, it seems as though OSX by default switches to any attached USB bluetooth device when it's plugged in and then when disconnected, it reverts back to the onboard device. This works fine on my old MacBook as I've been using the USB dongle for a while now without any issues. I initially thought that there may be a software issue with the internal bluetooth device not switching back properly but I would have thought a clean install would have fixed it so there must be some sort of hardware issue specifically with the new MacBook Pro 16-inch.


I'm pretty frustrated now as I've now gone through two 16-inch MacBook Pro's with bricked bluetooth devices that I'm fairly certain was caused by connecting an external bluetooth dongle via thunderbolt. I'm pretty sure onboard devices shouldn't die just because a third party device was connected/disconnected.


Has anyone come across this yet with the new MacBook Pro 16-inch? I'm going to visit the Apple store tomorrow to see what they can do but I'd prefer if I didn't have to send my laptop away and just find a fix myself if there is one. If not, I thought it'd be good to post my experience here in case anyone else comes across this.

MacBook Pro 16", macOS 10.15

Posted on Dec 14, 2019 2:09 AM

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Posted on Jul 6, 2020 5:25 AM

Here is a summary of the whole thread:


TL;DR:


  • It's apparently possible to unfix the problem with a BT 2.0 dongle
  • For those that are scared to break it again (after logic board replacement OR BT 2.0 fix), they can run a NVRAM command to never switch BT controllers again (need to re-run after NVRAM reset):


sudo nvram bluetoothHostControllerSwitchBehavior="never"


Might be best to put that in a startup script and only change if needed.


  • It seems to have to do with Power Management and seemingly a EFI firmware bug introduced in Catalina as it's not possible to break Mojave in the same way.


So in summary it's several factors that came together here to create this bug:


  • a) A likely firmware bug in the EFI in Catalina.
  • b) A pretty unsafe default for switching Bluetooth controllers - which most users likely don't want anyway.
  • c) Maybe: A CSR USB controller using the exact same chip as the internal one. (if I am able to unbreak my device, I will try to re-break with a Broadcom 4.0 device, too)


Long version:


I have been bitten by the Bluetooth bug, too that breaks the internal Bluetooth module on Mac Book Pro 16inch if you accidentally plug in an USB CSR 4.0 Bluetooth dongle.


  • It seems to not happen on Mojave - so it's also related to a driver bug in Catalina regarding power management.
  • It happens in the first place because the nvram default behavior is to switch over to external Bluetooth by default.


The symptom is:


  • The Bluetooth chip gets too little power and hence fails to connect to devices and if it does connection is spotty. While on MacBook Pro 16inch it completely fails, other Macs can have bad Bluetooth behavior that is "spotty".


  • The solution of AppleRepair so far has been to completely replace the logic board, which fixes it till the next Dongle is plugged in and obviously is quite costly for a pure software bug.


Several observations:


  • The current theory is that the internal firmware mixes up the external CSR chip for it's own and saves the power requirement of the external chip (which is less as its powered by BT) and then uses this for the internal chip.


  • a) It is highly debatable to make the switch over to external dongle the default for all users if the functionality is usually only wanted by a handful of developers that develop Bluetooth LE applications. In fact it also breaks it for iOS developers and everyone that wants to use a Dongle to use with a VM:



  • Fortunately that is easily remedied with a nvram command to change the behavior. It would be great if Apple changed this in the next minor Catalina release by default to not switch over to external Bluetooth automatically, but make it an option to select the Controller (like you can do with Bluetooth Explorer). The setting could be stored and automatically be applied after every reboot to what the user configured. That would prevent the bug in probably most user cases until a proper fix can be found.


  • b) It is unclear if a pure software fix could fix this as per the reports the issue remains once it has happened even if you boot into Windows / Bootcamp. However it is seemingly possible (per the above accepted answer) to unfix that issue with an older CSR Bluetooth 2.0 dongle. This probably helps, because it has a different power requirement as it predates Bluetooth LE and hence the MacBook FW gives the internal Bluetooth chip more power again.


  • c) Someone tried to port the Bluetooth drivers from Catalina to Mojave and it did not work.This points to the fact that it likely is an EFI / soft FW update that broke this in Catalina and not a pure software bug.


Overall it seems Apple would have several ways to fix / work around this:


  • Fix the EFI to fix the PM bug. (that gives hope that it can be fixed 100% and also restored affected devices without logic board replacement)
  • If that fix takes a while to do, at least change the default and put out a changelog for those few that need to use an external Bluetooth dongle to replace the internal one.
  • Create a program that does whatever the diagnostics on the Apple Wifi in the repair shop does to reset the firmware to sane values.
  • Create a device to emulate the USB behavior of a 2.0 Bluetooth device to fix broken devices [unlikely as that is].


In theory VirtualHere + ZeroTier could be used to share a BT 2.0 dongle from one machine on the internet to another one and unbreak something remotely. (not sure if that would work in practice though as emulation is not perfect. Though I know that Bluetooth over Internet works well as that is ironically how I broke my BT in the first place as I needed a dongle for bluetooth-over-internet)

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Jun 12, 2020 8:19 AM in response to jamiefromkirkcaldy

jamiefromkirkcaldy wrote:

Yeah, I have tried the steps on both MacBooks a few times now. When the Bluetooth was working on my 13", the BT 2.0 would show devices in the Bluetooth menu when plugged in. However now its been disabled, it no longer shows any devices.
When I plug the BT2.0 dongle into a windows PC, it flashes when searching. It doesn't do this in macOS, the red light just stays solid.

Jamie

What are you using to connect the USB A to USB C, I also have this issue and ordered a few BT2.0 devices. But the first 2 have the same issue. So I think it might be the USB C dongle I'm using.

Jun 12, 2020 2:31 PM in response to felipejfc

Guys! I fixed mi 2019 iMac bluetooth with a dongle!


For those who don't know, I was having a different issue after plugin the infamous 4.0 CSR dongle: everything I connected was having interferences (AirPods, mouse...) as if the bluetooth module wasn't getting enough power or as if Coex mode wasn't working but still it was usable (barely). Just plugged in an ancient bluetooth 2.0 dongle (don't know if its CRS based), reseted NVRAM and other steps as @AntiHawk said and I got internal bluetooth working back to normal!

Jun 25, 2020 9:32 AM in response to fsnck

Hi,


I tried the same dongle as you for No 1 and I couldn't get it to work. I had tried a couple of them and they were all junk.


For number 2, can you post a couple of screenshots from the System Information when the No 2 dongle is plugged in?

If you can also post a screenshot from the USB section when you click on the USB Dongle.


That will give us a little more information to see the exact chipset and version.


I didn't pair with an Android Phone, for both my MacBooks just plugging in the dongle worked for me. Once I plugged it in and removed it, it seemed to bring the internal dongle back to life.


Jamie


Jun 25, 2020 9:35 AM in response to fsnck

I know this doesn’t solve your problem but just know you’re not alone in this.

It’s absolutely baffling to me that a company this size cares so little about a problem this serious. If Apple really cared about your 6k EUR you wouldn’t see this problem marked as “resolved”. Guess what, they won’t look further into this as “it is not an issue anymore” just because some people managed to find a workaround that works 50/50 of the time.


I really hope this thread is marked as unresolved again because spending time and money in an external dongle to fix an internal issue is not a solution.

Jun 26, 2020 1:03 AM in response to christospappas

Hi,


Just wanted to confirm that the procedure also working for me. After having tested several usb 2.0 dongles the one that worked for me was the Sitecom CN-521 pointed out by @koenbc. 


You will see very soon if your dongle is working or not because it has to be directly recognized by mac. If you see that when you connect your dongle your Bluetooth icon changes temporary to an error icon it won't work. Your dongle has to be able to search for devices.


In my case I was so tired of doing the complete procedure that this time I only did:


1) Connect the dongle.

2) Search for devices

3) Connect to Android Phone and cancel connection when the code appears on the mac.

4) Remove the dongle and try to connect immediately after with the internal Bluetooth

At this point you will see a loading rainbow icon as if you were broking what's already broke -> Good sign.

5) Reboot computer 

6) Your expensive MacBook will be available to do something amazing in 2020: has internal Bluetooth.


Thank you Apple for being revolutionary, for questioning the things that we take for granted like connecting an external Bluetooth to our expensive devices and make us loose our Bluetooth for 4 months.


Also, the customer service experience is a joke... I understand that we've been in difficult times but your 1-week visibility for reserve a genius bar... You market yourself as the brand for creators, entrepreneurs... And then you think that we don't have anything better to do than connecting us to the website / call you everyday to check if there is availability in your stores... Never experienced any situation like this with $700 Toshiba laptops... 


Anyways, thanks @AntiHawk for this fix and all the community support.


Good luck to those of us who haven't still been able to fix their Bluetooth.

Jun 30, 2020 1:08 PM in response to jeremías49

I managed to make it work by making multiple attempts of connecting/disconnecting and rebooting with/without the dongle connected. You will know it's working because other devices can pick up your Mac.

Just want to add that since "fixing" it I still have some weird quirks from time to time. An example is volume level not being reflected accurately while using AirPods Pro and the only way to make it work is by opening Sound Settings.


Furthermore, the HCI Selector in Bluetooth Explorer.app still shows None in the dropdown so it is unable to enumerate the built-in module. I strongly believe something is physically damaged at this point and I expect Apple to address this somehow.

Jun 30, 2020 1:14 PM in response to jeremías49

For what it's worth, after "fixing" the issue and having it rebreak on me, I brought my 16" MBP back in to Apple. The Genius Bar appeared to be familiar with this issue and immediately suggested a logic board replacement, which was completed in 3 days. Of course, it works perfectly now, but if it wasn't under warranty it would have been nearly $800! I threw out my CSR 4.0 dongle, just in case.

16-inch MacBook Pro Bluetooth issue

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