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16-inch MacBook Pro Bluetooth issue

I bought the new 16-inch MacBook Pro when it first came out and was happily using it until a week later my bluetooth stopped discovering devices, in particular my Magic Mouse and iPhone. I tried everything from resetting nvram, smc, resetting the bluetooth module, removing bluetooth.plist, downloaded bluetooth explorer and reset a bunch of settings etc and even went to the extent of completely formatting the computer and installing osx from scratch to no avail. Hardware diagnostics showed no hardware issues as well. The bluetooth device was showing up fine in System Report but it just wasn't discovering anything. I have a work laptop (2017 MacBook Pro) which I use side by side and it was working fine.


Long story short, I was able to replace the device at the Apple store I bought it at since it was within the 14 day return policy window. So I put it down to just being unlucky.


It's been a few weeks since then and I now have the same issue with the replacement laptop. This time though I think I know what triggered it.


I have a CalDigit dock that I use for my work laptop and occasionally have a usb bluetooth device attached to it for some work I do in virtual machines. The issue occurred when I connected my new MacBook to the dock along with the bluetooth dongle. The usb bluetooth dongle worked fine however when I disconnected the thunderbolt dock from the MacBook I noticed the bluetooth icon in the top right hand corner changed to an icon with a zigzag across it, obviously due to bluetooth device being disconnected.


Since disconnecting the external bluetooth device I'm having the same issue as I had previously, my MacBook Bluetooth device won't find any devices and is not recognized by other bluetooth devices like my iPhone/other MacBooks. I've gone through the whole process as before, and have resorted to a clean install of osx to no avail. I've even compared bluetoothd console logs between the working MacBook I have and the now broken one, the only difference is the working MacBook is able to detect devices when they are advertised, whereas the MacBook Pro 16-inch does not.


Digging into this, it seems as though OSX by default switches to any attached USB bluetooth device when it's plugged in and then when disconnected, it reverts back to the onboard device. This works fine on my old MacBook as I've been using the USB dongle for a while now without any issues. I initially thought that there may be a software issue with the internal bluetooth device not switching back properly but I would have thought a clean install would have fixed it so there must be some sort of hardware issue specifically with the new MacBook Pro 16-inch.


I'm pretty frustrated now as I've now gone through two 16-inch MacBook Pro's with bricked bluetooth devices that I'm fairly certain was caused by connecting an external bluetooth dongle via thunderbolt. I'm pretty sure onboard devices shouldn't die just because a third party device was connected/disconnected.


Has anyone come across this yet with the new MacBook Pro 16-inch? I'm going to visit the Apple store tomorrow to see what they can do but I'd prefer if I didn't have to send my laptop away and just find a fix myself if there is one. If not, I thought it'd be good to post my experience here in case anyone else comes across this.

MacBook Pro 16", macOS 10.15

Posted on Dec 14, 2019 2:09 AM

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Posted on Jul 6, 2020 5:25 AM

Here is a summary of the whole thread:


TL;DR:


  • It's apparently possible to unfix the problem with a BT 2.0 dongle
  • For those that are scared to break it again (after logic board replacement OR BT 2.0 fix), they can run a NVRAM command to never switch BT controllers again (need to re-run after NVRAM reset):


sudo nvram bluetoothHostControllerSwitchBehavior="never"


Might be best to put that in a startup script and only change if needed.


  • It seems to have to do with Power Management and seemingly a EFI firmware bug introduced in Catalina as it's not possible to break Mojave in the same way.


So in summary it's several factors that came together here to create this bug:


  • a) A likely firmware bug in the EFI in Catalina.
  • b) A pretty unsafe default for switching Bluetooth controllers - which most users likely don't want anyway.
  • c) Maybe: A CSR USB controller using the exact same chip as the internal one. (if I am able to unbreak my device, I will try to re-break with a Broadcom 4.0 device, too)


Long version:


I have been bitten by the Bluetooth bug, too that breaks the internal Bluetooth module on Mac Book Pro 16inch if you accidentally plug in an USB CSR 4.0 Bluetooth dongle.


  • It seems to not happen on Mojave - so it's also related to a driver bug in Catalina regarding power management.
  • It happens in the first place because the nvram default behavior is to switch over to external Bluetooth by default.


The symptom is:


  • The Bluetooth chip gets too little power and hence fails to connect to devices and if it does connection is spotty. While on MacBook Pro 16inch it completely fails, other Macs can have bad Bluetooth behavior that is "spotty".


  • The solution of AppleRepair so far has been to completely replace the logic board, which fixes it till the next Dongle is plugged in and obviously is quite costly for a pure software bug.


Several observations:


  • The current theory is that the internal firmware mixes up the external CSR chip for it's own and saves the power requirement of the external chip (which is less as its powered by BT) and then uses this for the internal chip.


  • a) It is highly debatable to make the switch over to external dongle the default for all users if the functionality is usually only wanted by a handful of developers that develop Bluetooth LE applications. In fact it also breaks it for iOS developers and everyone that wants to use a Dongle to use with a VM:



  • Fortunately that is easily remedied with a nvram command to change the behavior. It would be great if Apple changed this in the next minor Catalina release by default to not switch over to external Bluetooth automatically, but make it an option to select the Controller (like you can do with Bluetooth Explorer). The setting could be stored and automatically be applied after every reboot to what the user configured. That would prevent the bug in probably most user cases until a proper fix can be found.


  • b) It is unclear if a pure software fix could fix this as per the reports the issue remains once it has happened even if you boot into Windows / Bootcamp. However it is seemingly possible (per the above accepted answer) to unfix that issue with an older CSR Bluetooth 2.0 dongle. This probably helps, because it has a different power requirement as it predates Bluetooth LE and hence the MacBook FW gives the internal Bluetooth chip more power again.


  • c) Someone tried to port the Bluetooth drivers from Catalina to Mojave and it did not work.This points to the fact that it likely is an EFI / soft FW update that broke this in Catalina and not a pure software bug.


Overall it seems Apple would have several ways to fix / work around this:


  • Fix the EFI to fix the PM bug. (that gives hope that it can be fixed 100% and also restored affected devices without logic board replacement)
  • If that fix takes a while to do, at least change the default and put out a changelog for those few that need to use an external Bluetooth dongle to replace the internal one.
  • Create a program that does whatever the diagnostics on the Apple Wifi in the repair shop does to reset the firmware to sane values.
  • Create a device to emulate the USB behavior of a 2.0 Bluetooth device to fix broken devices [unlikely as that is].


In theory VirtualHere + ZeroTier could be used to share a BT 2.0 dongle from one machine on the internet to another one and unbreak something remotely. (not sure if that would work in practice though as emulation is not perfect. Though I know that Bluetooth over Internet works well as that is ironically how I broke my BT in the first place as I needed a dongle for bluetooth-over-internet)

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Sep 30, 2020 1:07 PM in response to uguraydogdu

Hi

Yes, CSR8510 A10 does not help, but it will crash your internal BT for sure (if bluethoothHostControllerSwitchBehaviour=always - because if it is, the OS uses the dongle).

You need (for example) a Dongle with a Broadcom Chipset. E.g. BCM2045A or BCM2046B. They only support BT2.1 (no BLE).

You can see your chipset in 'About this Mac' -> System -> USB.


I can send you one to Turkey.


Email me at: info//at//zweimueller//ch

BR

Boris

Oct 7, 2020 8:03 PM in response to Zumss

It’s infuriating that Apple isn’t putting out a fix for this problem. I was in dialogue with multiple senior advisors for over a month who all recommend logic board replacement. I too was able to fix the issue with a BT 2.0 dongle and told the senior advisors what the fix is, they brushed it off. Why won’t they listen to their users in this issue? It would save them lots of money in replacement parts, countless hours of support time and prevent customer frustration.

Oct 16, 2020 5:05 AM in response to Loner T

Its quite a mess through apple service. Talked about this bluetooth problem with third-Apple service certified center : they choose to replace motherboard to be paid by Apple than push that solution to Apple Engineering support.

Maybe if someone call Apple service center in the USA, the problem will disappear with firmware update.



Thanks all for found this crazy solutions, yes it definitely works.


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Oct 21, 2020 1:03 PM in response to christospappas

I am in contact with Apple support about this issue which I experience exactly the same as other people here: after having previously an external bluetooth dongle connected the internal bluetooth won't work anymore.


The advisors I spoke with are very helpful but it seems quite hard to get something reported as a bug. Even after telling them how many people are affected and telling them about this thread on the forum. It just seems to be how they are instructed so I don't blame them.


I understand there should be some filtering on support as it could get very costly otherwise, but Apple should be more open to bug reports in my opinion.


After many types of resets, trouble shooting, diagnosis and re-installing the OS twice (even wiping everything the last time) I finally got a phone number that I can call tomorrow to further escalate the support case, so let's hope this will get properly investigated by Apple engineers soon.

Oct 22, 2020 4:44 AM in response to AntiHawk

Just wanted to add, that this worked perfectly to fix my internal Bluetooth.


The internal Bluetooth stopped working after I had plugged in a Bluetooth 4.0 dongle.


I just followed these instructions, using a cheap dongle I got from amazon here (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0013BFQUE).


Honestly I was pretty sceptical, but it worked, and was much more convenient than taking my MBP to an Apple store.


Now Apple, please fix this, so people don't have to resort to this strange hack.

Oct 22, 2020 8:14 AM in response to christospappas

Had this same issue occur to me too. A USB hub with a 4.0 BT adapter caused my internal bluetooth to stop working.


I ordered the no-name brand adapter from amazon and the StarTech one. Neither one work, they both appear as CSR chipset in system information. I'm having a difficult time finding a broadcom one in the states. If anyone has access to one, or a spare, please contact me if I'd be able to obtain it from you somehow (poxin13 at gmail). Very frustrating!

Oct 23, 2020 12:14 AM in response to poxin

Hi Poxin, I would suggest contacting Apple Support: find your local phone number here: https://getsupport.apple.com or you can use the chat there. I think it's just users helping each other on this forum so Apple probably isn't aware of the problem when we only talk about it here. Also I would suggest to explain clearly how the problem appeared after having the external bluetooth receiver attached. Some of the advisors I talked to didn't really understand that part at first and when they did I got the comment they haven't heard of this problem before.


So I think it would help if people affected by this problem communicate to Apple through the official support channels that you can find on the Apple support website.

Oct 23, 2020 1:04 PM in response to AntiHawk

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!


After hours of trying every reset on earth I found this thread and bought what I could get from amazon that looked like BT2.0.

I had to do several SMC resets and when I thought it would never work again it connected. This made my day :)


If you are from Germany and need a working BT dongle - this is the one that worked: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00GA3LBYK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

(CSL USB Bluetooth 2.0 Dongle - 2,99Euro)

If it's not available on Amazon try eBay ;)

Oct 25, 2020 12:53 AM in response to aepfelsindfreunde

After lots of attempts using a few different procedures, I am giving up. "Mushroom Head" BT 2.0 acts dead. Startech.com "2.1" registers as BT 4.0 on the MacBook 16 and it behaves like one.


Do I find two weeks to give up my work computer to Apple? Is this to (maybe not even) get a new board? Like you all, I have spent dozens of hours on this. I would give up and live with the dongle, except the BT 4.0 dongle (the original one) does not connect to a piece of equipment I need. Neither does another BT 4.0 dongle. I got Apple Care.


Sad. Discouraged. Tired.

16-inch MacBook Pro Bluetooth issue

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