Songs becoming Grayed-Out in iTunes
Why is it that every single time that I edit & sync a song (between my iPhone & iTunes on a Dell notebook computer) to becomes grayed-out?
iPhone XR, iOS 13
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Why is it that every single time that I edit & sync a song (between my iPhone & iTunes on a Dell notebook computer) to becomes grayed-out?
iPhone XR, iOS 13
Try signing out of the iTunes Store on your device, then sync from iTunes. Is there any change to the greyed out tracks? If not try hiding the original purchases for a few of them (see Hide and unhide music, movies, TV shows, audiobooks, and books - Apple Support) then try syncing once more. Any improvement? If neither approach helps then I suspect we're back to my original unacceptable suggestion that you nuke and pave.
tt2
You don’t recognize the screenshot I’ve posted at least 3 times every single time I’ve asked the same question? That goes to show how helpful these Support Communities are - just like Apple itself, not at all….
I've found your two threads from a month ago, one of which I responded to. As far as I recall I didn't offer this suggestion then:
Try Edit > Preferences > Devices > Reset Sync History.
Maybe you've tried it already, maybe not. It might also help to sign out of the iTunes Store on the device before starting a sync from iTunes.
tt2
I’ve already tried Edit > Preferences > Devices > Reset Sync History but it did not resolve anything.
I’m not sure how signing out of the iTunes Store on the device would work when I don’t believe I ever actually signed-into the iTunes Store on the device (at least not manually)….I have been in the habit of buying everything on my computer (a Dell notebook) - as it is easier to type - & then sync the newly-bought songs onto the phone.
Furthermore, I don’t understand how - or why - this issue only happens on songs I edit (for example, if I add “1st” to “John Cena’s theme” making it “John Cena’s 1st theme” & sync the edit[s] to the phone.)
Additionally, I never had a problem when I used my (old) iPod Classic (that I’ve had since, 2007) & only started when I got an iPhone XR (in August 2019).
I'm assuming the edits are to purchased, rather than ripped media, which might be relevant.
The iTunes and App Stores are linked together, so if you're signed into one you're likely signed into the other. You can check in iPhone > Settings > iTunes & App Store. There is an option there for automatic downloads which can cause new purchases in iTunes to download to the device. Even if not enabled the device is going to show a cloud link for unhidden store purchases that will let you download them or stream on demand.
Both iTunes and your iPhone want to show your unhidden purchase history, which should be reconciled against what is actually in the library so that all of your local content is shown, and anything that is only in the cloud is listed too. There aren't supposed to be any duplicates, but occasionally this mechanism gets confused. Where you've edited metadata for a purchase your edit should also take precedence. I've seen people report unwanted changes here and even written scripts to retrieve the desired information from backup copies of the library. A workaround is to download such purchases and then hide from your purchase history so that your copy is the only one that gets taken into consideration. I'm particularly keen, for example, on having all of my metadata in Title Case, removing things like (Live) and (Deluxe) from album titles and so on, so this is a workaround I use myself a fair bit.
It is possible that when you have an edited version in your library, but either an existing download on the device or just knowledge that one exists, there might arise a clash when the time comes to sync over the updated track or its metadata. I don't know enough about the exact steps involved in syncing, but it is clear something is going wrong. Signing out of the store on the device might allow a successful sync from iTunes. Hiding the purchases might help if you remain signed in.
Given the iPod classic cannot see your purchase history using Wi-Fi it only has to deal with what can be transferred from your library.
tt2
All of my songs are indeed purchased from the iTunes store. I don’t see why that would matter when I had been making such edits for years (since 2007 as I had never used iTunes until getting the iPod Classic) yet this has just recently been happening (ever since getting the iPhone XR in August 2019).
I did check iPhone > Settings > iTunes & App Store (as well as iPad > Settings > iTunes & App Store even though I have iTunes on my phone only & not the iPad because my iPad Air is only 16GB while the iPhone is 64BG) & I have automatic downloads turned “off” - on both devices - for Music & Apps with only Updated turned “on” (for example, I have Facebook on my iPad only & not on the phone & Southwest on my phone only & not on the iPad, etc as I only want/use curtain apps on the device I use them on).
I do not have any relevant unhidden purchase history (the only unhidden purchases I have are songs that I [had] no longer want[ed] & therefore deleted from my library so that I don’t re-download them by mistake). I don’t see what that has to do with the editing/grayed-out issue though.
What makes even less sense to me is that I have not had any issues at all until getting the iPhone XR in August 2019, has been happening ever since getting it & is only displayed grayed-out when looking at the playlist on the iPhone with it synced to my computer.
That being said, the iPod Classic has nothing to do with the issue, I only refer to that device to indicate how long I have been using iTunes & explain that I am not doing anything different then I always have been doing.
I don’t understand how signing-out & syncing (again) would resolve anything. Furthermore, what explanation is there as to why it has ever been happening (& thereby preventing it from happening again). That being said, why would I want to [have to] constantly have to sign out & sync every single time I make such edits in the future? You don’t seem to understand that point of the situation....
I'm asking you to perform an experiment in the hopes that it might resolve things for you. If I had the same symptoms as you I could try the experiment myself, but I don't so I can't. Can I be sure it will help? No. Is it what I would do in your situation? Yes.
We covered some of this before, but I'll reiterate. I'm a fellow user trying to help out. I don't have a detailed inside knowledge of the processes involved in the iTunes syncing mechanism. I cannot explain why you have the issue that you do. All I can do is try to help you find a workaround. This is an iOS issue, which is why you've never run into it with your classic. Since it appears to be related to purchased content rather than ripped media it is worth investigating the impact of signing out of the iTunes Store on the device on the subsequent sync behaviour. It may allow tracks that currently show with the grey dotted circles to fully sync to the device and show with your preferred metadata. Or not. The only way to find out is to try it. And if it doesn't help, try the other experiment. Or do that one first. But do something other than asking me to explain a bug I have no control over or predict if this is a procedure you'll need to repeat. You can cross that bridge if you get that far.
tt2
You don’t know how busy I am….I do not have time “to perform an experiment”.
This had been going on since August 2019 (as I had clearly stated multiple times). I ask a question - which I can not even get an answer to. How does that really help me? Apple (always) says they are “here to help” yet they have never helped me, I come here - to “fellow user(s) trying to help out” - hoping I can find someone that has had the same problem & would know how to (actually) fix it but I get nil!
If “This is an iOS issue” & “appears to be related to purchased content” then why is it, exactly, that won’t Apple help me (in which case I would never have even ever had to come here)? Why is it, exactly, that nobody here has been able to give me an actual answer (either)?
Why wouldn’t I be completely fed-up with the lackluster help I’ve been getting?
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ImSpike wrote:
You don’t know how busy I am….I do not have time “to perform an experiment”.
But you could have tried at least one of the things suggested by now, some of which take virtually no time at all, possibly solved the issue and then saved time spent writing your diatribe here.
Why is it, exactly, that nobody here has been able to give me an actual answer (either)?
Because as tt2 has mentioned, we volunteers do not have inside knowledge of iTunes, or Apple's behind the scenes work to fix problems. What we can do is offer possible solutions and it's not unknown for a suggestion to help one user, but not another, even though they both have - or think they have - the same symptoms. And before you say it, some of our suggestions have been known to fix issues, or simply help the user find an alternative way to achieve what they want.
One of the points that you made in this thread was:
You can’t do the same thing & expect a different result….
Isn't that precisely what you're doing?
Why don't you re-read the various suggestions that have been made to you in the discussions you have started and see whether you can look at them in a new light, one that might offer you some help. You may be busy, but you're not the only one - and it's not even our problem.
Spike,
May I call you Spike? (It seems like we're old friends now, after all.)
One thing about seeking help is that you need to be prepared to consider things that you hadn't thought of, and to try suggestions. Unless you do, there's a danger that you will simply go round in increasingly angry circles and never ever, make any progress.
As tt2 has pointed out, many of the suggestions are in the form of try it, see what happens and let us know. If the answer rules out something, then we can consider something else. Some things we suggest may be based on a theory about the cause, in part due to the enormous complexity of iTunes. But if we fail to rule out a crucial theory, it may possibly lead us down the wrong path instead. Then there's the possibility of more than one cause of the same symptom. That can happen, which means that what might work in one case may not work in another situation.
I've seen all of your posts, in each of your discussions. I even saw this thread on the day you originally posted it. Unfortunately, in my mind it was a forgone conclusion what your reaction would be to any further offer of help from me, which is why I haven't joined in this thread before now. I'm not a genius (far from it), but sadly, I was right.
Given your approach, do you think that anyone else is going to be prepared to offer suggestions, just so you can bite off their head? No one here - and I mean no one, is compelled to offer you help.
I apologise if I've taken time out of your busy schedule, trying to help you, with your problem.
Like I said before, why wouldn’t I get completely fed-up when it has been going on for so long (since August 2019) & getting no (actual) answers whatsoever? Yet you want to get on my case about having an attitude? Apple has never helped me at all so I come here & still can’t get any help! Why wouldn’t I have an attitude? Talk about “support” being completely useless….
Try Edit > Preferences > Devices > Reset Sync History.
If that doesn't fix it see this post on erratic syncing.
tt2
We’ve been through this before, tt, that did not work (before). What makes you think it would work now? You can’t do the same thing & expect a different result….
Fair enough. I can't recall every thread or user I've posted to.
tt2
Songs becoming Grayed-Out in iTunes