Do I need to Master in Logic for TV?

Good afternoon.

I just finished writing/recording a theme tune for a TV show, I have took note of gain staging along the way and the Stereo out is showing -6db peaks. Its not crazyly loud in the end


Sounds seems fine though, using 2 mics on a guitar cab, bass guitar di and Logic's Drummer triggering EZ Drummer sounds.

I have put no processing on the stereo out as I am not really experienced as yet.


I have bounced a wav file and I am very happy with it, though as I said its not ear piercingly loud! do I leave the TV company to sort this?


Thank you in advance.





Posted on Jul 3, 2020 9:20 AM

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Posted on Jul 3, 2020 7:46 PM

First of all, don't experiment. If you sit in your bedroom, playing around, the that is fine, but if you are doing something where you deliver your professional product (Theme) for a profession product (TV Show), then you should make sure that your song is not only musically great, but also perfect on the technical side (level, frequency response, misc. specs, etc.).


In that case, you should first start to LEARN the craft to some extend and not experiment and stumble over some stuff by accident. We are not talking about experimenting with a new effects plugin to get a specific sound, we are talking about delivery specs.


Your original question "Do I need to Master" is most likely based on all the hype on the Internet around "Mastering". Everybody is talking about, giving advice while it seems that 80% of that advice about mastering is utter bullish!t. The old excuse "Let's fix it in the mix" seems to have shifted to "Let's fix it in mastering"


Here is a simple advice: Forget about mastering and try to record/mix your song as good as possible. If you can't or don't know how to do it, then hire someone who can. You don't become a sound engineer by watching a few YouTube videos and buying a few Plugins. There is a little bit more to it.


About the Loudness Meter. There are a few comments from Lippeth  where my red light would go off. If you want to learn bit more about Loudness Normalization and Loudness Meters, here is a tutorial I posted on my website.


http://logicprogem.com/Logic-Pro-X-Tutorials/Entries/2017/6/23_Loudness_Normaization.html


However, the good news is that in your case, you don't have to worry about Loudness Meter at all. The reason why there is no "Mastering" for music delivery for film/TV is because the music will go to the dubbing stage where it is only a part of a lot of other elements that are mixed together. That mixer has to know about Loudness Levels because that is nowadays the requirement for any broadcast/film delivery. Just make sure you deliver based on the required specs (i.e. 24bit, 48kHz, Stems yes/no, etc.). Your job (or the engineer you hire to take care of the mix) is to make your track sound as good as possible, based on what your client wants.


You always can play your track to a friend to make sure that it sounds ok and there is nothing that you overlooked. The last thing you want to end up with is to get a call from the dubbing stage and the engineer or producer complaining about some technical  issues with your track.


Especially, if this is your first gig, you want to make sure to leave a good impression so hopefully they consider you for the next project. So don't blow 😉 it and good luck 👍.


Hope that helps,


Hope that helps,


Edgar Rothermich

Graphically Enhanced Manuals (GEM)

www.LogicProGEM.com

https://www.youtube.com/c/MusicTechExplained/


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Jul 3, 2020 10:42 PM in response to EdgarRothermich

Thank you Edgar

Reassuring and helpful too.


I am not a sound engineer, just learning, I am a songwriter/musician, I have done various TV stuff, but have always recorded in a pro studio in the past, now I have been working from home and in Logic.


Anyways, In this instance I followed all the gain staging procedures, I tried to get everything perfect at the recording stage too, so there was very little processing to do, and did try to mix as good as possible as you mention.


Everything sounded fine, and I did play it to an honest friend who thought it sounded great too, the problem I have with it is it doesn't have the volume compared with other stuff I have done where I haven't cared about the gain staging or the stereo output being in the red, because I was just writing songs and didn't have the time to worry about levels etc.

But with this project I did take care and although the mix is fine, its not loud like other stuff.


Having said that, it was recorded in 24 bit 48khz and the TV people are delighted with it, they didn't even mention anything about the volume!





Jul 5, 2020 11:05 AM in response to Pancenter

Indeed, musicians with real talent manage volume as part of their performance - if you then casually stuck a compressor on it 😤

I really think more time spent on performance and arrangement would be a better strategy for someone setting off today. It’s too easy to be swayed into using a plug in to give you that “perfect vintage” sound!!! I’ll go and lie down - again.

Jul 5, 2020 8:29 PM in response to kerochan

kerochan wrote:

Ha, nice one Pancenter, I just listened to 'kind of blue', oh how I miss sitting in Ronnie Scotts jazz club in London.

I haven't put any plug ins on any track in this instance, I tried to get everything right at the front end, and I am kinda happy with the mix, just not the volume!



As a wise engineer once said: "Using good musicians and a well arranged song to achieve a good sound in the mix is called cheating" 😏

Jul 4, 2020 1:06 AM in response to kerochan

The + value indicates that is likely to be how much those services will increase your mix (as opposed to a negative value which is how much the streaming service will reduce your mix), so you can see your processing has increased the overall loudness of the mix without incurring any penalty from those services. Getting to the point where you have still wide dynamics in your mix without brick walling the master is a very skilled process, starts with gain staging your inputs, balancing your composition, varying the musical competition for bandwidth and sensitivity in compression and eq decisions. Your processed mix looks in this reading, still to be ok. As long as it still sounds good on a variety of playback options translates well in mono (if a soundtrack with folio that may be less relevant!), you’re good to go!

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