Purposely Make Two Different Albums of the Same Songs

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I have the Beatles catalog. I want to reorganize a few albums like they were in the US vs. the UK. For example, I first heard Rubber Soul differently than it is presented now. But I want to keep the 'correct' UK version too.

I figured I could copy the songs that I wanted, put them in a new folder, then reimport them into iTunes. But iTunes is refusing to reimport these songs. I expect that is because iTunes already has a copy of them and is trying to keep me from doing this.

I even modified each song's title by adding a '2' at the end of the name of the file. No luck. Then I copied each file, so it would add ' copy' to the end. Also no luck.

How can I either:

1) Force iTunes to import a duplicate?

2) Or list two different albums referring to the same files?

iMac 27″ 5K, macOS 10.14

Posted on Aug 15, 2020 9:29 AM

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Posted on Aug 15, 2020 10:25 AM

Hi Lawrence,


That 2015 post of mine that you linked no longer works. iTunes/Music has logic that prevents adding a duplicate.


Also, since the album name is embedded in the file (for most formats), the same file can't point to two albums. So, you do need two copies of each file, each with its own metadata.


One way to do it: Find the track, and use File > Convert to make a second copy. Right-click the new copy, Get Info, and edit in the new album name, such "Rubber Soul UK." You can do this for multiple files at once, but I suggest you try a few single tracks to see if it is working as you wish.

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Aug 15, 2020 10:25 AM in response to LexVAPin

Hi Lawrence,


That 2015 post of mine that you linked no longer works. iTunes/Music has logic that prevents adding a duplicate.


Also, since the album name is embedded in the file (for most formats), the same file can't point to two albums. So, you do need two copies of each file, each with its own metadata.


One way to do it: Find the track, and use File > Convert to make a second copy. Right-click the new copy, Get Info, and edit in the new album name, such "Rubber Soul UK." You can do this for multiple files at once, but I suggest you try a few single tracks to see if it is working as you wish.

Aug 15, 2020 11:04 AM in response to LexVAPin

As long as neither Apple Music or iTunes Match are involved then you can copy the tracks you want to duplicate into the Automatically Add to iTunes folder in your media folder. The new copies will arrive at the top of a list of songs sorted by date added descending. You can select them and change the metadata as you wish leaving the original album unchanged.


tt2

Aug 15, 2020 10:48 AM in response to ed2345

Thanks ed2345


I think I have stumbled onto a similar way to what you suggest but before I read your post.


The problem is that I needed to remove or change the metadata. I am not sure that I needed to do all of these steps (and your way may have been easier), but this is what I did. File>Convert would be faster.


1) I moved the duplicate songs into the iTunes Music folder

2) I double clicked on one. As I double clicked the song was moved into the original folder. The song appears and plays in the iTunes listing as a new import into the album & track that it was originally.

3) I clicked on the song (command-L) and get info (command-I). I updated to the new track listing and changed to the new album title - in this case 'Rubber Soul (US Version)'.

4) I repeated for each song.


All done.

Aug 15, 2020 12:03 PM in response to turingtest2

Thanks for the comment, but no, that does not work. At least not with the current iTunes. If the meta data is the same, they will not import. I did exactly that. I duplicated the songs. Even changed the file name. But iTunes refused to import them.


ed2345 was correct when he said "....since the album name is embedded in the file (for most formats), the same file can't point to two albums. So, you do need two copies of each file, each with its own metadata."

Aug 16, 2020 2:42 AM in response to LexVAPin

That's most odd. I often work in Windows where iTunes happily lets you add a new copy of a file if it is on a unique path different from anything currently known to the library and I was convinced iTunes for Mac and Music behaved the same way. In the past when adding a copy of a file with metadata that matches an existing object in the library the new copy would end up in the same folder with a trailing 1 added to the file name. Testing just now in both Mojave and Catalina what happened is that duplicates were added to the library, but both entries in the database were linked to the same physical file, and the files that I had dropped into the Automatically Add to iTunes folder just vanished into the aether.



So instead of getting the duplicates that I wanted, where I could edit the metadata for one copy while the other stays the same, there is only one file connected to the library, and changing one affects the other. I pretty sure this is buggy behaviour and the software should either import the new file correctly, or not add a new entry to the database. Still, experience has shown that bugs like this don't get fixed in a hurry, if at all, so it is good to know you at least have a workaround.


I also ended up with artwork for a duplicate album with no tracks in it which is another bug, but I suspect that was transient, and at least I know how to merge split albums when needed.


tt2

Aug 16, 2020 8:38 AM in response to turingtest2

Thanks for checking this out for me tt2.


iTunes on the Mac used to work that way, in that I could drag and drop the same files multiple times and get multiple copies. I think that Apple added this feature to help the customer not copy the same files twice. So I do not count this as a 'bug'.


It would be interesting to see if I duplicated the file in my iTunes folder, then changed the meta data in the original files (Example: change album name), if I could then re-import the duplicate files.


The only way that I know of to get around this is what ed2345 did, or my more laborious process.

Aug 16, 2020 8:54 AM in response to turingtest2

I think you are right in the Windows version. That is a bug. The listing should not be shown twice if there is one file.


But that is not what is happening in my case, in the Mac.

When I duplicated the files and dragged them to the iTunes program, nothing happened which is what my question was based on.


It did not used to be that way. As ed2345 said, what he suggested in the old link in my OP no longer worked. As he said, 'iTunes/Music has logic that prevents adding a duplicate.' That is the feature on the Mac - preventing duplicate files - I was referring to, that stops me from doing what I wanted to do. The only way around was to remove the meta data.


Again, thanks for checking for me.

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