New GMT face

Is it just me, or is something not quite right in the new GMT face? My understanding of a GMT watch is that the red hand is somewhat like an hour hand, however it does a 360 degree sweep in 24 hours instead of 12 hours. E.g. pointing straight up should be 00:00 GMT, whilst at 12:00 GMT the hand should be pointing straight down.


Playing around with the watch face, it appears to me like the red hand is instead pointing to the current time in London which is British Summer Time (GMT + 1).


It's 13:00 in London now, which means it's 12:00 GMT. The red hand is not pointing straight down, it's actually pointing at the 13:00 indicator.


Is this a bug, or is my understanding of the watch face misplaced?

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Posted on Sep 16, 2020 5:04 AM

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Posted on Sep 24, 2020 2:05 AM

I think the way Apple's GMT watch face works is confusing (and different to most GMT watches). Many of the responses on this thread are not quite right and people are unnecessarily confused by the implementation.


Below I will refer to the alternate time as GMT (it could be any alternate time choosable).


The way most GMT watches works (and how I think the Apple GMT Face should work) is like this:

  • Separate bezel numbered up to 24
  • The GMT bezel doesn't have to move (and usually doesn't)
  • The GMT hand indicates the 24 hour time
  • If it is12 noon GMT the GMT hand would point straight down (to regular the regular 6 is)


Currently the Apple GMT Watch Face GMT bezel rotates (apparently to indicate offset from your current time zone) and the GMT hand only goes between 1 and 12 with the colour of the GMT bezel used as a guide as to whether it would be night or day (am/pm).


Apple could rectify the issues by changing to the regular method I have described or at least providing the option to have a fixed or offset GMT bezel in the face options.


An important user group of watch faces like this are pilots who use UTC for precise, reliable and consistent time sharing. For pilot's the world over the time is the same (UTC time) and it is stated in 24hr format. Apple, please label the GMT bezel up to 24 or have the number in the circle (at the end of the GMT hand) going from 00 up to 23. eg. 15 minutes after midnight UTC is zero zero one five (WATCH should show 00) and 1045pmUTC is 2245 (should show 22). Hopefully you get the idea.


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Sep 23, 2020 1:12 PM in response to airman2482

Your point about not having to think about what the red hand is pointing at is good, and exactly why I am so annoyed by the 120 tick marks for the minute and second hands not corresponding to the 5 minutes/seconds that should be shown between each numeral. In your picture, is the local time 10:23 or 10:24? Need to think and analyze a bit, count the tic marks, divide by 2, lol.

Sep 24, 2020 1:25 PM in response to airman2482

There are lots of use cases for a GMT watch outside aviation. Smart people can disagree, so we’ll have to disagree on whether naming an Apple Watch face “GMT” is an attempt to deceive users into thinking it will give their Apple Watch all the function and features of a Rolex model that costs 30 times the price.


If your Apple Watch wasn’t suitable for your aviation use case before, a new watch face on it probably isn’t going to change that. This is a face that displays the time using a rotating ring that offers a readout similar (but no, not identical) to GMT watches (of which there are many styles and brands).


As it happens, Apple’s GMT face doesn’t suit my use case any better than it sounds like it suits yours. But this thread will become useless — if it hasn’t already — if it’s just filled with people pointing out that Henry Ford still hasn’t given them the faster horse they want.

Sep 25, 2020 12:36 AM in response to ScottRH

Yes indeed! It's great this thread has brought out fellow watch aficionados. I was a bit obsessed with Fortis 20 years ago and still have this Official Cosmonauts Automatic that came with a nice leather case with a rubber diving band and a large velcro band for wearing outside a spacesuit (you never know):


It is also just sitting in the safe thanks to Apple Watch 😂


Oct 1, 2020 9:21 AM in response to Tednol

It's tough to separate out the posts in this thread from folks who're having trouble with the GMT face because it isn't working properly (or they don't understand how it's designed it to work) from the posts in this thread from people who just don't like how it's designed to work — or who just would have preferred to see it designed differently.


Unfortunately, until Apple fixes the problem that prevents people from unfollowing threads in these discussions there are those of us who're going to get emails from all of the above.


So, a general reminder: If you just don't like how something Apple did was developed, or wish it had been developed differently, or would have developed it differently if you were the developer, or have an idea that you wish Apple would develop instead, it's more important to post your thoughts to apple.com/feedback/ than to post them here.


If you're only using these user discussions, it's possible but unlikely that it'll reach the people at Apple who'd benefit most from hearing them.

Oct 12, 2020 2:28 PM in response to birdguy45

Actually this thread brings up the need fir a suggestion. Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is always expressed in 24-hr format. This is true in Han/shortwave radio, military, scientific and other disciplines. I would suggest to the UTC face author that if UTC is selected, it is always displayed in 24-hr format, regardless of the user’s preference. Thanks for reading!

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