Email photo as attachment, not embedded, in iOS 14

jemtz wrote:

Amen to the last post! Help me, don’t give me info I find inconsequential. All I want is to send photos as attachments.

👍 Too bad the forum doesn't have an "ignore" button… his explanations may be 100% technically correct, but what's the point, if they add nothing to the discussion in terms of SOLVING the issue? He doesn't seem content to just stay out of this discussion, seeing that despite 40 pages, he has not been able to convince anybody to agree with his point of view that (I'm paraphrasing) it really has nothing to do with Apple.

Many users including myself don't possess his technical expertise and have asked him to try to provide his responses in a more concise and easier to understand format, to no avail. As a result, I find his full-page posts not only bury other potential solutions that may have been posted (they get lost in all of it), but they also create further confusion on the topic for anyone else who tries to muddle their way through this thread.

Mr. Halliday: I am truly curious if you could be kind enough to explain your thought process by addressing the above?

Halliday wrote:

Even just there, it is Outlook that is not treating the standard properly.

Yes. Once again, all you have done is «view» the «look[es]», the appearances!

The problem is not the appearances—such are as recommended by the International Internet Standards governing email composition and interchange.

Rather than purely «look[ing]» at appearances, how about trying the functional test of saving all attachments!

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OK. You win. I give up. No need to convince me anymore that you are 100% correct. So you don't have to spend any more of your precious time replying here.

The problem is not with Apple, but rather it is I, who is the ignorant and just doesn't get it, and continues to blame Apple…

Got it. 👍

It’s not you, Lotus9999, or others (except in the sense of refusing to see what is not obvious).

The problem is in not looking past the superficial and circumstantial evidence.

(There’s a reason why circumstantial evidence is not admissible within a court of Law: such is easily misleading!)

Those of us that have worked hard to understand what was actually going on, and the root causes, took about a month or two (starting in September) before we had a sufficient “handle” open this issue.

It’s understandable why those that haven’t worked as hard to gain a fuller understanding would have a difficult time accepting the realities.

We, your fellow users, are simply trying to help y’all to understand these realities, so y’all can make better informed decisions.

The hope is that, in this way, the real, root issue, may, finally, be fixed, so people will no longer be subjected to these time-waisting issues.

Halliday wrote:

Unfortunately, as far as «inconsequential» or other judgements, as they say: “You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.”

I agree 100% with you. I thought I clearly indicated that in a few posts above, where I said – perhaps also speaking for a few others here, based on their replies:

"No need to convince me anymore that you are 100% correct. So you don't have to spend any more of your precious time replying here." 🤷‍♂️

I just don't understand why YOU insist on repeating yourself so much?

Yes, . I have not bothered people with that level of the technical details: people, in this and other related Discussions, don’t seem to want that level of detail.

Yes. It is through the IETF. More specifically, see the Official Internet Protocol Standards.

TarHeelTech wrote:

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… I have been in tech support for 22 years. Sometimes work-arounds are the best we can offer. I don't work for Apple, Microsoft, or Google so I have very little influence over their direction of services and options. I have used Microsoft forums to gain attention to desired new features to add or return old features that were removed. I don't recall if it ever worked.

I do hope, when working «tech support», that you will try to look beyond superficialities (appearances) and circumstantial evidence.

It’s not my «device», Mystified-OZ.

Unfortunately, it is Microsoft’s software (Outlook and its derivatives) that hasn’t been working according to the International Internet Standards that govern email creation and interchange for a far longer time.

Once again, CJCragg, nothing but superficialities (appearances) and circumstantial evidence.

And even your circumstantial evidence misses the prior instances involving earlier iOS versions.

I do wish someone would actually try to invalidate my evidences. I’m a scientist. So that’s what we do: we work to invalidate hypotheses and theories!

Our level requirement of evidence is far higher than courts of Law, and even courts of Law disallow circumstantial evidence: it’s far too prone to mislead!

Once again, Lotus9999, I ask you “point-blank”: is the only issue you have with how Apple Mail creates emails with images/photos/pictures/etc., as a part or the entirely of an email, the appearance of the email? Or is there something more?

(I have asked others, who, like you, wished to only harp upon the appearances, this same question.

Please be honest!

Remember, the words you have used—especially their emotional content—in the past, when referring to the appearances vs. the functionality of performing bulk attachment operations [such as bulk-saves]; have already answered my question.)

+100

While I enjoy the many benefits of technology, I also follow the motto "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". The tech world does a lot of fixing things that aren't broken, which drives me crazy. OK, maybe "crazy" is an exaggeration. It's a peeve. What I realize when I find an issue with technology that I dislike, I look for a work-around and then move on with my day.

Really, TarHeelTech?

Why would you waste your time and my time on nothing but an appearance, a formatting of an email?

Did I not make this clear enough just from your written description?

This is not even admissible evidence in a court of Law.

Were you trying to fulfill the requirement I stated as:

«If, however, you could actually demonstrate that the emails authored by Apple Mail are not actually emails with attachments, but do something else, that is not consistent with the International Internet Standards that govern email creation and interchange; then you would have something to accuse Apple of.»

Do you actually think that you have provided the following?

«I do wish someone would actually try to invalidate my evidences. I’m a scientist. So that’s what we do: we work to invalidate hypotheses and theories!»

If so, you have completely neglected the context.

The hypothesis, if you will, is the following:

1. «Apple Mail is, and always has been, «send[ing] emails … where the photos are … attachments, like how it [has always] be[en] for years», even at those times, through the years, when this Outlook issue surfaced with previous iOS versions.»

When I use the term attachment, in the context of emails, I am using the term commensurate to the International Internet Standards that govern email creation and interchange.

I am, most certainly, not referring to mere superficialities (appearances). Yet, you have addressed nothing but mere superficialities (appearances), and circumstantial evidence.

I thought I could expect better of you.

Please, enlighten us with documentation on "International Internet Standards". WHO governs this? Provide an article. Provide a link to Wikipedia. Something. Anything. Otherwise, we will all believe that you made it up.

Sir, I have used a lot of email clients since I first checked email via a Unix command line (I believe it was called Vax) back in 1994. You love to call out Outlook and only Outlook. Why don't you call out Pine, Eudora, Elm, Thunderbird, GroupWise, or Apple Mail. Are attachments (or the superficialities) present or is that just a mirage?

Do you agree or disagree that when someone uploaded a picture using the native email app built into iOS 13 on Sept 15, 2020 that it arrived in all email clients as an attachment, but when that same person upgraded to iOS 14 on Sept 16, 2020 now the uploaded picture was embedded in the email? Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

Interesting. It works every time for me. Sorry it doesn't for you. I am not techy so I can't explain why.

I set my g-mail address as the default sender in "settings".

From my experiments, the sending account is the key.

Yes, jeffmcgillis.

It’s because Outlook “knows” Outlook, even if Outlook were to violate all the International Internet Standards governing email creation and interchange.

Such “solutions” do not promote standards compliance, but vendor “lock-in”.

(Maybe that’s the intent?)

jeffmcgillis wrote:

Hi

Yes , this allows me to send multiple photos to my work when offsite and they are easily able to batch save them.

Thanks for the information :)

"This" being what exactly? This 45 page thread has been about what "this" is, and yet, you don't actually say it! 😂