Does the Apple Photos app support the use of Hierarchical keywords? e.g. Birds-->sparrows etc

Hello... Newbie here.


I am looking at moving from a PC to an iMac mainly for the way iMac handles photos.

My friend showed me a really good demo of how he uses Photos and I was impressed.


Currently I have a PC where I do my post processing with multiple programs but in the end, my DAM is ACDsee. I don't do editing in ACDSee.


I have invested a lot of time in building the 'database in ACDSee adding in Metadata such as Keywords, GPS coordinates and facial recognition.


My question relates to adding keywords and associating them with photos. In ACDSee i have the ability to create a hierarchical list of keywords such as: Birds-->Sparrows Owls Cranes etc. as sub categories of Birds. Or Travel--> Mexico 2018 ---> PV Mazatlan Mexico 2019--> Nuevo etc.


When assigning keywords to a photo, I just need to click on any number of keywords in the keyword list to associate them to the photo. Very handy and quick to do.


So here's the question: (iMac purchased will be latest version with latest version of the OS) ...


Does Apple Photos support the use of hierarchical keyword structures?


I can export my ACDSEE keyword list as a text file that I would like to import into Photos and be used in the same way.


Thanks very much for your help.

Garry

Posted on Nov 5, 2020 6:12 PM

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Posted on Nov 5, 2020 11:47 PM

No, sorry. Photos is supporting keywords, but the structure is flat. You would have to assign all keywords of a hierarchy individually. If you assign the keyword "Crane", it will not automatically imply the less specific keywords "Birds" and "Animal".

You can assign a keyword to several selected photos at once, and you can use the Keyword Manager to keep the list of keywords open or bind them to keyboard shortcuts. You can use the keywords in searches, you can filter the displayed views by the keywords, you can use them in smart albums.


Added: Photos is handling categories automatically. In many cases we do not even need to assign keywords, because Photos is scanning the photos for known object classes and categories. When I am searching for a term like "Bird", Photos is showing me all photos where it recognised a bird or another category related to birds:



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Nov 5, 2020 11:47 PM in response to Burger2go

No, sorry. Photos is supporting keywords, but the structure is flat. You would have to assign all keywords of a hierarchy individually. If you assign the keyword "Crane", it will not automatically imply the less specific keywords "Birds" and "Animal".

You can assign a keyword to several selected photos at once, and you can use the Keyword Manager to keep the list of keywords open or bind them to keyboard shortcuts. You can use the keywords in searches, you can filter the displayed views by the keywords, you can use them in smart albums.


Added: Photos is handling categories automatically. In many cases we do not even need to assign keywords, because Photos is scanning the photos for known object classes and categories. When I am searching for a term like "Bird", Photos is showing me all photos where it recognised a bird or another category related to birds:



Nov 7, 2020 12:44 PM in response to Burger2go

Garry, Photos cannot import keyword lists, but if you can write the keywords into the IPTC tags of your photos before you import them into Photos, they will automatically appear in the Keyword Browser in Photos.

If you can find any way to tag the photos with keywords on your PC, you will see them in Photos on your Mac, just not as hierarchical keywords.



Nov 7, 2020 12:14 PM in response to léonie

thanks very much for your response. Much appreciated.


If I understand you correctly:


  1. if I just search on birds, without entering it as a keyword, then Photos will return all pictures of birds regardless of species. If I enter sparrow, crane, eagle, crow etc as keywords, then search on any one, of those, only those will be returned. If I search on multiples comma separated, then I get all specified in the search retirned, but only those. i.e. sparrow, eagle returns just those 2?
  2. in case of a place like: Mexico 2018 Mazatlán Carnival , Puerto Vallarta Secrets from the same shoot, how would I tag pics with all that information easily? Would photos be able to discern and of that information just from the pics themselves based on metadata on each pic? or would it even look there for information? Some pics might have GPS information on them and some not. From what I have demod to me, Photos is pretty clever, so if I searched on Mexico 2019 for instance, what would be returned?


once again thanks for your help with this. Trying to build a case to switch to a Mac since Windows is starting to get 2 flaky.


cheers!

Garry



Nov 8, 2020 3:08 PM in response to léonie

thanks leonie...

I don't think this is a practical solution because many photos have multiple keywords associated with them, and I cannot copy paste them into the iptc data field. For example photo has the following ACDSEE keywords associated with it:


Mazatlan 2018, Mexico, Pueblo Bonito - Emerald Bay, Resorts - Hotels - Areas if I copy this string into the IPTC keyword space in ACDSee, they look like they are added to the IPTC keyword list, but they do not hold. moving off the pic and back, the information in IPTC is blank.

Nov 8, 2020 3:16 PM in response to léonie

for the example just mentioned, the following shows how I assign the keywords in ACDSEE. its simple and fast by just clicking on the keyword in the list. The list is organized according to the general grouping of the keywords, so as mentioned fast and simple. If I have to recreate the entire set of keywords I have one by one in Photos they would all be listed aphabetically so assigning would be a slow process flipping through the Photos keywords... un;ess I am missing something?


Nov 8, 2020 3:23 PM in response to léonie

as another example.... i have a photo of a bird. I click on 'birds" then choose the bird(s) in the photo and click on the entry in the keyword list. So trying to determine how I could do this photos quickly once the images are ready to load into the database. I have many thousands of photos already keyworded and with facial rec specified. There is also a longs list of People already catalog to the faces in the pics. any further suggestions?

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