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Time Machine not working with Big Sur

time machine not working with big sur



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Posted on Nov 15, 2020 9:04 AM

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Posted on Jan 28, 2021 4:55 AM

  1. Ok - for those of you struggling to get time machine to work after a Big Sur update - This is what I've tried and what finally worked for me.
  2. Once I had updated my 2015 macbook to Big Sur I re-formatted my external hard drive to APFS - I've always used either G-Drives and Seagate (cheaper) - annoying as I lost all my old bkps - thanks apple!
  3. I got to about 880GB of bkps when my G-Drive started making loud noises and either got "preparing backup" or "Time Machine could not backup due to errors" - thanks for the detailed error Apple!
  4. I ran disk utility on all my drives including the boot drive in recovery mode. I also left time machine running all night while it "Prepared the backup" - still no joy - at this point I'm tempted to re-install Big Sur - but I can't because I don't have a backup of my user account because my old Catalina backup is no longer compatible! Thanks Apple.
  5. I deleted some old large files on my macbook to free up space for the snapshots - still no joy. (Shame as really I wanted to back them up first)
  6. Uninstall CleanMyMac X and Sophos (basically any anti-virus stuff) - reboot try again - fail
  7. So I bite the bullet and buy a new 6TB Seagate drive (I'll definitely have enough space now!) and configured it as APFS - ran the backup and got to the same point about 880GB then Time Machine starts timing out again.
  8. I keep hitting the backup now button for the next 72 hours but still get the - oh so vague - "Time Machine could not backup due to errors" - warning! Thanks for the detail Apple.
  9. I decided that either my macbook's hard drive is corrupt or my external drive is corrupt - so I exclude the external hard drive from the backup and by hitting the options button in the time machine preferences and excluding that drive.
  10. I still get errors, so this time I exclude my main drive. Bingo! Approximately 10 days after I upgraded I get my first backup but only fro my external drive one. Whoop.
  11. Then I read somewhere that some third party Apps not found in the App store can cause Time Machine to fail - So I then go into a process of excluding folders from my my drive on my mackbook, first the "Applications" folder, then my "Systems" folder and finally "User" folder. If I exclude my "User" folder - the backup works! - Great I have a backup of everything except my own stuff!
  12. So then I got through and one by one exclude each "User", until I discover my own "User" folder is the one that makes the backup fail. Thanks Apple - surely Time Machine could have told me this!!
  13. Then I have a brain wave and decide to try and copy my "User" folder over to my external drive and sure enough the copying fails and I get a very specific error, that says something like "There is a problem with your Photos Library and cannot be copied" - Bingo!!
  14. After a quick search I find how to repair my photo library - https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204967 and after a couple of reboots I get my first full backup of my laptop!


So to conclude, one of the things to try if your Time Machine doesn't work on Big Sur, if you have space on an external drive - try copying the files over manually first - to see if any of them are corrupt.


It's ironic that it was apple's own software 'photos' was the one causing me all the trouble.


I hope this helps someone and thanks Apple! It's great when it works, but when it doesn't - Arrrrrrrggggghhhhh!!!

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Nov 15, 2020 2:02 PM in response to onetoone

onetoone wrote:

most backup drives are portable so this ability allows you to put a few files on the drive and take the drive with you,, anywhere. not really meant to be used an extension of external storage, just a temporary convenience.. of course a thumb drive gives the same ability.

First, I don't know if "most" drives are portable. But the fact remains, if you take a portable drive with you that has a Time Machine backup and data and it fails, wherever it happens to be located, you lose both the backup and the data.

Nov 26, 2020 10:16 AM in response to brett_b1

Original poster here. I have yet another phone session with my AppleCare support person tomorrow. Last week we tried a series of interventions recommended by Apple engineers based on live comprehensive diagnostic testing from the previous phone session. None of those interventions worked, so my support person recorded another post-intervention diagnostic session, and I'll hear results and new recommendations from the engineers tomorrow. It's definitely a Big Sur-related snafoo, although it doesn't affect everyone who upgraded from Catalina. I haven't been able to back up with Time Machine since Oct. 28.

Nov 26, 2020 12:51 PM in response to tbirdvet

I updated my 2015 MacBook Air to Big Sur.... and now, Time Machine does not work. I go to open it and it opens multiple windows and freezes. I just want to back up my computer to a Lacie external Hard Drive that the Apple Store just sold to me before i bring the computer in for a battery repair the Apple Store says I need.


Is perhaps my MacBook Air not able to handle this operating system. And, if so, why the heck did Apple suggest I upgrade to it?!!!

Dec 1, 2020 5:37 PM in response to TandemBunny

TandemBunny wrote:

I can't even get into Safe Mode any longer. The instructions don't work. Not for Big Sewer.


The instructions are different for newer Macs. You need to read the links provided to you, or post a new Discussion. This one has become hopelessly derailed with "me too" posts describing at least six different Mac of varying descriptions including Time Machine configurations that will never work.


You will never resolve your problem by hijacking someone else's Discussion.

Dec 5, 2020 8:02 AM in response to guixiu

Luckily, I had enough room left on my 4 TB external HD to make another good-sized partition using Disk Utility: this time I formatted it in APFS though (as opposed to Mac OS Extended [Journaled], in which the external HD with about 2 TB of my old backups was originally formatted. Now the new partition is working like a charm: the "preparing backup" section takes less than 5 min for about 130 GB! (BTW, I'm using Time Machine on macOS Big Sur; on a Retina, 13-inch 2015 MBP.) The only downside, though, is that you're going to have to do a fresh backup, which is going to eat up a little bit more of your new partition, i.e., depending on the size.


Hope this helps!

Poldy

Dec 16, 2020 3:02 AM in response to Old Toad

Thanks to everyone. I haven't been able to back up since the initial November release of Big Sur. I called Apple Support a couple of times and have tried several suggestions I found in Google searches with no luck. I only had Sophos Home disabled. I should have tried uninstalling it but didn't think of it. After doing that, back ups appear to be working fine again. Thanks for the link to Effective Defenses... without 3rd party software. I look forward to reading it.

Dec 17, 2020 12:21 PM in response to Old Toad

it sais: "Format: Mac OS Extended (Journaled)" , its connected through USB. I dont wanna play around with it, cause i dont wanna loose the data on it . The problem should not be the disk since, as i said, did the back up on dec 2 without problems.

I can open it, see the content, enter the Time Machine, i simply can't back up the data. It says "preparing back up" for hours. ( i ejected it, reconnected it, rebooted the pc, etc ..)

Dec 17, 2020 1:07 PM in response to cecidip

If it doesn't get out of the "preparing data" phase you have two options: 1 - run Disk First Aid on it and hope it fixes the problem and 2 - erase the hard drive and start over. That 's what I had to do as it wasn't backing up and always preparing. I haven't had a problem since.


There is a 3rd option: get a new external HD and start using it.

Dec 17, 2020 2:09 PM in response to cecidip

Apple had me copy the backups to a new drive before erasing my AirPort Time Capsule drive for troubleshooting, so I know you can do that. It took almost a day plugged in directly with an Ethernet cable. I'm not sure if you can start backing up again to those copied backups. I'm starting from scratch. The backups to Big Sur aren't supposed to take as long, from what I've read. I plugged into the Time Capsule directly, and it took about 8-10 hours to backup 538 GB on a MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015).

Dec 17, 2020 2:58 PM in response to cecidip

Working with Apple support I tried to copy my backup folder to a new drive, but it failed. The upgrade to Big Sur ended up costing me a pretty penny because I'd only recently bought the 4T backup drive that now is unusable. I backed up to the new drive starting in the late afternoon, and it finished by 6am the next day. Subsequent backups have been speedy.


Despite Apple Tech support's assistance and diagnostics, I had to give up on the backups stored in the older drive. Nothing they suggested worked--and the engineers were in on it, evaluating the diagnostics several times. I'll have to erase the old drive, reformat it for Big Sur, and eat the coast of the new drive. Going forward I'll alternate backups to the two drives so I'll always have one if the other fails.


I have a MacBook Air 2020, and the original backup problem started when I upgraded to Big Sur.

Dec 24, 2020 5:34 AM in response to tbirdvet

I have a the same or at least a similar problem. I bought a new MacBook Air coming from a Mid 2012 MacBook Pro and with that I upgraded to Big Sur. My Time Machine Backup runs on a Time Capsule. The initial backup works fine. After that Time Machine starts regularly to begin a new backup but it only starts with searching for the volume and preparing the backup. Thats it, no further backups :(

Dec 24, 2020 11:27 AM in response to maschmi

That's what mine did. The initial backup worked but nothing after that. I finely found the reason the first one worked is I installed the new version of Sophos, as described in the other posts here, after the initial Big Sur backup. If I had not updated to the new version of Sophos, everything would have been fine. Even better if I had uninstalled the old version.

Time Machine not working with Big Sur

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