Firewire support in Big Sur

Can anyone test and see if Firewire devices are still supported with Big Sur and M1.


There are reports floating around "the internet" that FW has been removed under Big Sur.


I have a lot of specialist equipment that uses Firewire, like Leaf and Phase One cameras, worth car prices, that use Firewire. They work perfectly well under Catalina with simple TB to Firewire dongle's. Really looking forward to upgrading to a AS iMac or the rumoured smaller Mac Pro next year, but really don't want to replace $60,000 of cameras because of a driver issue. OWC has hubs with FW ports that plug into TB3 ports.


Thanks in advance.

iMac 27″, macOS 10.12

Posted on Dec 11, 2020 7:55 PM

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Posted on Dec 15, 2020 10:09 AM

Hi, We have recently upgraded to Big Sur and our Phase one IQ380 crashes the whole computer when a firewire cable is plugged in. PhaseOne have said that they have been informed by Apple that firewire tethering with any device via a dongle will no longer be supported from Big Sur onwards. I feel your pain here as we too also have a lot of expensive specialist photographic equipment that I fear may be destined for the scrap heap.

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Dec 15, 2020 10:09 AM in response to Jasmb570

Hi, We have recently upgraded to Big Sur and our Phase one IQ380 crashes the whole computer when a firewire cable is plugged in. PhaseOne have said that they have been informed by Apple that firewire tethering with any device via a dongle will no longer be supported from Big Sur onwards. I feel your pain here as we too also have a lot of expensive specialist photographic equipment that I fear may be destined for the scrap heap.

Dec 15, 2020 1:57 PM in response to MyApple8MyPC

I have three already. I am looking to the future and it looks like Catalina will be the end of the road for my $60,000 worth of camera gear (2x Leaf digital backs).


I am not alone in this, pretty much every medium format digital back is Firewire, there are a very few recent ones that use USB3, usually in the mid $40,000 range (each, plus the actual camera). It is a small segment of the market, but at the very top, pro's use medium format, and they are now all left out in the cold, with regards to new Macs. This becomes an issue when software like Capture One is updated and OS support is dropped. Currently it requires OS 10.13 to 10,15. It will take a few years, but when the minimum requirement is OS 11, then we are all screwed.


Thanks Apple.

Dec 15, 2020 3:09 PM in response to MyApple8MyPC

"USB card reader"


Yes of course I can, but not much help in a studio setting where you are shooting tethered all the time.


"Standards move forward.

Technologies move forward.

This is natural."


It is also natural for professionals to spend tens of thousands on gear, then keep it until it stops working. Both of my backs work as well as the day they were purchased, and function perfectly with Catalina. You don't replace gear in a business if you don't need to. Now that 99% of the images I shoot get used online, I don't have any need for the latest and greatest 150Mp back (with USB 3) so to have to upgrade (at great expense) because Apple removed software support for firewire is more than disappointing.

Dec 15, 2020 3:33 PM in response to Jasmb570

Agreed, my workflow is 100% tethered and relies on instant and constant monitoring of images as they are shot by my digi op, art directors, stylists, make-up artists, models etc. The bonus of the firewire cable was its stability over greater lengths, we were able to shoot at 10m with no boosters as opposed to the current USB3 options that struggle above 5m. In a large studio with a big crew that can be an issue. Yes technology does move forward but sometimes we are also herded to a convenient commercial position by monolithic companies. There is a history of great tech that has been forgotten in the march of progress. I used to be able to fly from London to NYC in 3.5 hours.......... at a cost of course.

Dec 16, 2020 6:55 AM in response to Jasmb570

I'm not sure "removed software" is the whole story here.


I am happily using FW800 hard disks without trouble on Big Sur 11.1.

I hear Hasselblad have tested their firewire backs with Big Sur and see no problems (even on an M1 Mac).

I've read that CaptureOne had issues, but there's a new release which support Big Sur.

https://tinyurl.com/yav2ymmx


So hopefully any problems are just the usual new os bugs rather than "support removed".

Feb 24, 2021 2:59 PM in response to Jasmb570

From my experience, Big Sur doesn't support firewire. I use firewire to connect an old macbook pro to an iMac for quicker file transfers. Big Sur took this away so I downgraded back to Catalina. It's crazy that these things aren't optional regardless of how old the technologies are. Apple should allow a firewire driver and if it's not used, it's not used, rather than just deprecating it without considering the impact. Big Sur didn't offer that much of a change from Catalina anyway in my opinion.

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