Can Ram be tested if the Mac doesn't boot? Sounds like a funny joke, but please read on....

Hi,

I have been on a very frustrating journey trying to install ram from Other World Computing. They are great if you can reach them, but it's been since Thanksgiving since I first called them. 3 weeks later and I am at half the ram I started with. Story in my other topic/ posts. It seems I can only get one apple installed chip working, but if I add another chip from apple it doesn't boot or I don't hear any beeps. Could be the way I installed it, but after a successful boot and leaving the working apple ram chip untouched I can't determine if I installed the other one incorrectly or it's a bad slot or ram chip.


I would like to be able to determine if my attempts at trying to install the new ram has damaged the slot or even one of the apple installed chips. Does anybody have any ideas short of bringing it in? My three year apple warranty just ran out in November, but I doubt it would be covered. Plus, don't want to go in for a fix due to the pandemic.


Thanks

iMac 27″ 5K, macOS 10.13

Posted on Dec 12, 2020 10:35 AM

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Dec 21, 2020 8:19 AM in response to 6x6

6x6 wrote:

I would most certainly not use compressed air in this situation. You would basically blow dust/residues into the computer (instead of out) which may lead to other undesired consequences.

The small amount of dust seen in the pictures won't be an issue as there is likely much more dust inside the iMac anyway. Besides the compressed air will be aimed at the memory slots themselves and will likely blow most of the dust outward except for the dust outside of the slots themselves. Besides vacuums are not always able to pull some debris from a recessed slot.

Dec 21, 2020 12:01 PM in response to Macs Are War Horses

Macs Are War Horses wrote:

should I stand the mac up when I'm doing it and should I take the working chip out of it's slot? I probably should, but please confirm it.

Yes remove all the memory so all the slots are free of dust.


If you have no one to assist, then would probably place the iMac face down on the glass on a solid flat table or desktop with a soft clean cloth underneath to protect the glass. If you have someone else to assist you, then you can have them hold the iMac in a position that makes it easiest for you to see what you are doing while keeping the can upright.


One more thing. HWTech said their might be a black dot. If so, what does that mean? Thanks ALL for your help!

I saw some dark spots within the memory slots, but due to the dust and unclear pictures I cannot tell what I'm seeing. Either it is debris of some sort or there is an issue with the contacts within the memory slot.


After cleaning the dust out take a few clear pictures so we can see the inside of the memory slots clearly. The pictures will need to be in focus, with good lighting plus you may need to take several pictures from slightly different angles in order to get a good view of both sides of each memory slot so we can see all the contacts. Do this with all the memory removed so nothing is blocking our view or casting a shadow.

Dec 28, 2020 6:09 PM in response to Macs Are War Horses

Macs Are War Horses wrote:

i know that you're right on with your diagnosis, but when did the new bent pins happen? I gently put this one working chip back into the one working slot this last time. It worked for the rest of the night last night. I did no changes today. It should have worked in my opinion.

If a pin is bent, then each time you insert or remove the memory it is possible the pin gets bent even more to where it may short out with a pin next to it. Or the bin can become completely broken as the metal contacts are fragile when pulled away from their normal position.


I can also be having a problem with the multi outlet that I plug it into. I have an older mac that is plugged into it with no problems, but my internet seems to be in and out until I secure the cord. Coincidence, probably? It might also be due to other things?

Power problems can definitely cause problems with a computer. You need to make absolutely sure the computer is plugged into a known good electrical outlet. If you are using a surge strip, then make sure the surge strip is good as well, otherwise plug the iMac directly into the wall outlet.


Well, I plan to try it again and if it doesn't work I'll set up an appointment with an apple authorized dealer. Unless that short meant that the mac is gone? Oh, well! Having the new ram was supposed to help relieve stress, but I tried so many times I probably damaged it!....pay the extra money is what I should have done!
Thanks.

Troubleshooting can sometimes be extremely difficult and frustrating. I've been driven crazy a few times ;-)

Feb 8, 2021 10:02 AM in response to Macs Are War Horses

Well, my estimate was for $1,685.24. Logic board, display and possibly their ram if OWC’s doesn’t. I really hope they are patient enough to try the OWC’s chips so that I could know for sure if they work or not. I still have faith in OWC as they extended my warranty, but I know that it was my fault for not giving up after a few tries. It really was the definition of insanity when you keep trying and think you’re going to get the result you’re looking for. Expensive lesson learned. Can’t wait to get my 64 gb i7 5k retina 27in. 2017 iMac in da house for work and for fun! I love my iPhone but doing everything on this small screen is just not fun! I should be getting it back at the end of the week as they ordered parts. I’ll let you know. Thanks for ALL your help.

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