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Upgrade to Big Sur from Catilina?

I am trying to decide if I should switch to Big Sur now even though I have minor problems reported on Etrecheck (attached).


I'm using a 2017 21.5" i-mac (4k)/8 MB RAM with 1TB HD and 2TB My Passport BU drive with TM saves.


Should I fix the minor problems before upgrading?


How do I get rid of unused 32 bit apps?..... just move them to trash??? Am experiencing slow performance.


Thanks,


Bill


iMac 21.5″ 4K, macOS 10.15

Posted on Jan 25, 2021 10:50 AM

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Jan 27, 2021 9:02 AM in response to Jack-19

Jack,

Thanks for your comments! Well I guess I have to stay with Catilina for a while. My effort now is to see how well I can improve performance by getting rid of old files.


Actually I have had Malewarebytes for about a year. I started on your recommendations. Got rid of most all of the 32 bit bytes. I am now trying to see if I should trash "Wondershare", files myself, also checked in with Malewarebytes via e-mail to see if they can do enhanced scans. The Wondershare files are in my App Support folder in my user library but not in my App list.


The strange thing is I ran another EtreCheck(attached) after deleting the 32 bit files and my performance is worse now , rated Poor vs Below Good, last time. New report is attached, I have since removed the few 32 bit files shown.


My main complaint is that my iCloud Mail app is extremely slow ..... sometimes 8 to 50 seconds to open an e-mail. I am not sure if this is related to my cleanup effort.


EtreCheck says I have a failing disk. That's a bummer since I can't upgrade to SSD??? What do I do? Buy a 27" after only 4 years on this one. I usually get 10+ years on Mac's.


Thanks Again,

Bill

Feb 5, 2021 8:06 AM in response to Allan Jones

Well I got rid of the WD files and a few more as noted in the EtreCheck Report. I ran a new EtreCheck (attached) and it appears I have fewer software concerns. Also got rid of WD software. Performance is back to normal so now I'm wondering if it would be ok to upgrade to Big Sur. Am concerned though since my Mac is a low end with less performance. Here are a few other questions I have:

a) I want to check my BU drive capability, actually boot up from it to make sure it's ok. How? Go to Start Up disk, pick BU file from TM BU disk and restart?


b) Once I upgrade to Big Sur can I go back and use files from old TM Catilina BU files, can I restart from old TM BU files?


c) I've noticed in the EtreCheck report that a lot of files were last modified over 10 years ago, 2 genrations of systems back to my Snow Mac. If I upgade to Big Sur will these files be discarded or segmented apart or should I just consider a "Clean Install" and install other apps using Migration Assistant?


d) Or maybe I should go ahead and jump now to an external SSD? How to clean install this way?


Thanks to all (Tesserax, Jack, Allen) for your quick very helpful responses!


Bill



Jan 25, 2021 11:15 AM in response to Bsaw67

I would suggest that you first resolve any issues with your iMac before attempting to upgrade to macOS Big Sur as Big Sur will have a few challenges that you will need to resolve, primarily any critical third-party apps that you need must be 64-bit versions.


Going back to the report, here are a few observations/suggestions:

  • 8 GBs of RAM is acceptable, but 16 GBs would provide better overall performance.
  • Your iMac's internal drive is a "slow" mechanical HDD. You can "see" this in the report as the low read/write speeds. Replacing it with a SSD would also improve overall performance.
  • Remove any "cleaner" apps from your Mac. In this case MacCleanse. These type of apps are not needed and tend to cause more issues than resolve them.
  • I suggest removing any WonderShare apps. Same reason.
  • The good news is that although your Mac has a few minor app crashes, it did not experience any kernel panics.

Jan 25, 2021 2:08 PM in response to Bsaw67

  1. You cannot upgrade RAM on your Mac, as you have a 21.5, and only 27" Macs can upgrade RAM. The Geek Squad cannot do it as well.
  2. You cannot upgrade to an SSD without voiding any warranty, and even if you are out of warranty, if you upgrade the SSD, Apple will never provide more technical support.
  3. Yes, absolutely delete Disk Cleaner.
  4. Delete "Wondershare". Some of them have malware.
  5. Typically, you cannot delete Kernel Extensions.
  6. I would recommend getting Malwarebytes to clean up your Mac from Malware. Malwarebytes is the only good anti-malware for Mac. Make sure to download it from the official Malwarebytes website!
  7. And yes, just drag 32-bit apps to the trash.


If you have any more questions, you can post back here!


Cheers,


Jack

Feb 5, 2021 2:09 PM in response to Bsaw67

Hey Bill,


After seeing these issues, I think your best bet is to backup your important files using a drag and drop, or copy and paste method, then clean install Big Sur. This way, the Time Machine restore will not restore the issues.


So, for example, copy the contents of your documents and movies folder to an external storage device to be pasted back later.


When you are ready to erase/clean install Big Sur, follow the guide below:


  1. Verify all your data is backed up to an external hard drive using "copy and pate" or "drag and drop".
  2. Sign out of your Apple ID in System Preferences > Apple ID/iCloud > Sign Out
  3. Shut down the iMac
  4. Turn on the iMac, and immediately press and hold Option + Command + R until you see a spinning globe.
  5. Once you are in macOS Recovery, verify you are connected to WiFi in the top right corner.
  6. Also, verify you are in Big Sur recovery by the "Reinstall macOS" description contains the "Big Sur" words.
  7. Go to Disk Utility.
  8. Select "View" in the toolbar > "Show All Devices".
  9. Select your main hard drive. This will either be "APPLE SSD...", "APPLE HDD...", or "Fusion Drive".
  10. Click Erase, and input the following exactly
  11. Name: Macintosh HD
  12. Format: APFS
  13. Scheme: GUID Partition Map
  14. Click Erase
  15. Quit Disk Utility
  16. Go to the reinstall macOS app.
  17. Follow the prompts, and install on Macintosh HD.
  18. Once done, setup your Mac, again, and once setup, drag and drop or copy your files back to the iMac.


I hope this helps, and I think this should solve your issue.


Cheers,


Jack

Feb 6, 2021 1:55 PM in response to Bsaw67

In response to the questions:


  1. Yes, that would most likely be the best way to start fresh. You just need to copy and paste/drag and drop files somewhere to backup before the erase. After the erase we can worry about this.
  2. For the Photos Library, go ahead and save both. However, you may only need to restore one, IF one is using iCloud Photos. Do you have this on?
  3. The only Mail to backup is the "On My Mac" mail. For these, yes, just drag the mail message to a location on your external drive. For the rest, just sign into your mail account again.
  4. Most apps can just be reinstalled from the Internet. Do not drag and drop apps.


If you have anything else just let me know!


Cheers,


Jack

Jan 25, 2021 1:57 PM in response to Tesserax

Thank you for the quick response. question on your suggestions:

1) I will upgrade my RAM to 16GB, is it relatively easy?, I've done other upgrades on my MacBook, Snow Mac or should I have Appleor Geek Squad store do it?


2) I suspect going to an internal SSD requires professional help like Apple or Geek Squad. ISthat possible on my 2017 i-Mac?


3) I also have "Disk Cleaner" which I have used, should delete it too?


4) I can trash Wondershare apps, What are they anyway, don't recall using them.


5) I noticed some kernel extensions in EtreCheck. Should I delete them?


Thanks Again,

Bill

Jan 27, 2021 9:22 AM in response to Bsaw67

Some of MacCleanse is still installed:


[Other] com.koingosw.MacCleanse4Helper.Reminder.plist (? 0 - installed 2015-08-28)

[Other] com.koingosw.MacCleanse4Helper.TrashWatcher.plist (? 0 - installed 2015-08-28)


Try testing with the WD external disconnected. WD bare drives are great but the inexpensive enclosures they use, especially Passports, are flaky, as is the WD software. It is unneeded and can go.


The under-spec 2.5-inch notebook drives that Apple made standard in 21.5-inch iMacs from 2012 to 2019 are only 5400 RPM, connect at a slow 3GB/sec bus speed, and seem to fail often. You cannot install a super-fast blade SSD unless the iMac already had an SSD or a Fusion drive. You can tape a fast-enough SSD internally but you can get almost the same drive speeds with an external USB3 or USB-C drive fitted with a 6GB/sec SSD. Saves opening a computer case that Apple does not want you to open.


Set the extern SSD as the boot volume and you will get transfers speeds of 400-500MB/sec, about 10X your current glacial speeds.

Jan 27, 2021 10:22 AM in response to Allan Jones

Allan,

Thanks, that sounds like the solution to my problem. I have deleted the Macleanse files.


I was wondering should I delete the WD files (see below) in my App list? I've heard they are not really required, they are old. I notice when I restart the computer they are scan/checked as I start up, takes some time. I could see if there is an upgrade, they must be 64 bit as they were not on the original 32-bit list.


-- WD Apps --

WD Drive Utilities

WD Drive Utilities Uninstaller

WD Security

WD Security Uninstaller


Thanks,

Bill





Jan 27, 2021 11:52 AM in response to Bsaw67

Hey Bill,


Yes. Were it my computer I would show the WD software the door. I've had cause slowness, stalls, and overheating on both pre-2006 PowerPC Mac and current Intel Macs. I've sen a couple of posts here where a user called WD phone support about issues and WD told them the software was not needed for a Mac.


Be sure to check for an uninstaller so you know the files are fully removed. If there is a WD folder, look there. If not, search their support site for an uninstaller.


And I would test with an external drives disconnected. It is always best to eliminate things that don't cost money before shopping for extra hardware.


Feb 6, 2021 4:44 AM in response to Jack-19

Thanks! A few implementation questions:


1) I presume that once I do this my old TM back ups should not be used. Should new TM backup's be on APFS formatted disk?


2) I have two Photo libraries on my Mac (35 gb, 10 gb) and a very large music Library. Do I drag and drop them to save and reinstall them?


3) I use the Apple Mail app and have many saved e-mails. How do I do that. Since TM no longer saves current e-mails I'm not sure how to make sure my "saved e-mails on my Mac" get saved. Drag and drop Mail?


4) How about other apps I have installed? How do I save and reinstall them to Big Sur? Drag and drop?


Thanks Again Jack,

Bill





Bill

Feb 13, 2021 12:40 PM in response to Jack-19

Thanks Jack.


For now I will wait until I finish my taxes before going to Big Sur from Catalina. I am a bit concerned about Big Sur on my slowest 21.5" 2017 iMac (4k) though.


Recapping the removal of many 32 bit apps, the WD Apps, Disc cleaner app from my Trash helped performance.


I have still had problems with extremely slow i-Cloud e-mail and slow backups showing "prepaing for backup" for many hours even with 1 hour backup intervals scheduled.


The e-mail slowness greatly improved when I emptied my trash (had 32 bit apps in it). I don't know why it improved though. I think I had plenty of (RAM 50%) available.


The EtreCheck report in previous comments show apps present which were last modified many years ago and are NOT in my current APPS list. Would it Safe to delete these if I can?


Bill


So far now I'm trying to improve performance while in Catilina.


Guess I should get a 1TB SSD (Samsung?) to backup all my fies before evntual upgrade to Big Sur.


Bill



Feb 14, 2021 10:43 AM in response to Bsaw67

I am glad that Catalina is starting to work. You can use my Big Sur guide whenever.


And for backup, you do not really need an SSD, it could be, but you just need a large backup device. I recommend one of the following: the https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/external-drives/g-technology-g-drive-usb-c-usb-3-1-hdd#0G05666-1, https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/portable-drives/g-technology-g-drive-mobile-usb-c-usb-3-1-hdd#0G10264-1, or https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/portable-drives/g-technology-g-drive-mobile-usb-3-1-ssd#0G06052-1. (If you purchase the last one you must also purchase a longer cable for use.)


Cheers,


Jack

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