TextEdit constantly crashing when deleting line of text

Hi,


Very tired of this.


This is a simple text editor and it crashes constantly.


I have time sheets for all project in Text Edit - all information logged and included with invoices. I have to use this as subcontractors send their invoices in a variety of formats - I need one standardized text-based format of all info.


I have them formatted in Monaco - easiest to read, cannot confuse numerals especially.


But, when I wipe an old doc to add new, highlighting multiple lines of text and hitting delete. CRASH.


I am using one of Apple's bajillions of craptostic fonts - fonts I cannot self-manage - so there should be no issue here. It's not like I'm installing a Type 1 PostScript font from 1998 here.


So what gives?


I use Mail, Safari and TextEdit mostly - rarely any other Apple apps - but these are the bane of my existence. Mail is crap, Safary barely scraping by - often using Chrome. If they were as complicated as Adobe's Creative Suite apps I'd cut them some slack.


But - plain formatted text?


Pathetic.


And, with an absolutely brand new, wiped and reinstalled OS - Big Sur. Seem to recall this existing prior to Big Sur, but it sure ain't fixed under Big Sur either.


Anyone else experiencing this?

MacBook Pro 15″, macOS 11.2

Posted on Apr 9, 2021 9:47 AM

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Posted on Apr 9, 2021 10:48 AM

Boot into Safe Mode according to Start up your Mac in safe mode - Apple Support and see if the problem persists. Reboot normally and check again.


NOTE: Safe Mode boot can take up to 10 minutes as it's doing the following; 

• Verifies your startup disk and attempts to repair directory issues, if needed

• Loads only required kernel extensions (prevents 3rd party kernel/extensions from loading)

• Prevents Startup Items and Login Items from opening automatically

• Disables user-installed fonts 

• Deletes font caches, kernel cache, and other system cache files


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Apr 9, 2021 10:48 AM in response to AndrewC1264

Boot into Safe Mode according to Start up your Mac in safe mode - Apple Support and see if the problem persists. Reboot normally and check again.


NOTE: Safe Mode boot can take up to 10 minutes as it's doing the following; 

• Verifies your startup disk and attempts to repair directory issues, if needed

• Loads only required kernel extensions (prevents 3rd party kernel/extensions from loading)

• Prevents Startup Items and Login Items from opening automatically

• Disables user-installed fonts 

• Deletes font caches, kernel cache, and other system cache files


Apr 11, 2021 2:21 PM in response to AndrewC1264

Download and run Etrecheck. Etrecheck is a diagnostic tool that was developed by one of the most respected users here in the ASC and recommended by Apple Support  to provide a snapshot of the system and help identify the more obvious culprits that can adversely affect a Mac's performance.


IMPORTANT:

Before running Etrecheck assign Full Disk Access to Etrecheck in the Etrecheck's Privacy preference pane so that it can get additional information from the Console and log files for the report:


Also click and read the About info to further permit full disk access.



Copy the report



and use the Additional Text button to include the report in your reply.



Then we can examine the report and see if we can determine what might be causing the problem.



Apr 11, 2021 3:15 PM in response to Old Toad

I don't see any of the usual suspects in the report.


At this point I'd boot into the Recovery volume (boot with the Command + R keys held down), select Disk Utility and run Disk First Aid on the boot drive. If you get any error notifications repeat Disk First Aid until there are no error notifications.


Reboot normally and test. If the problems persists reboot again into Recovery volume and reinstall the system. It leaves your data files untouched and just replaces the system files.


Apr 12, 2021 8:21 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

True...you cannot remove system fonts in Big Sur:



You can remove user fonts:




However, you could not remove system font in Mojave, either:


(Mojave screenshot)


I'm not sure how far back the inability to remove system fonts is.


I use TextEdit a lot - I prefer it over Word since it's so light and small and generally works. Perhaps try another font?


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Apr 11, 2021 4:25 PM in response to Old Toad

Has to be an Apple font problem.


But these were all installed last weekend and haven't been touched - I can't touch them.


Adobe now accesses local fonts within the layout document folder to make them available in the layout.


Most apps like Adobe's if they have issues with crashing - it's a font issue.


I didn't renew my Suitcase font management utility last fall because of Apple's move to prevent font management - what's the point of having a font management utility if you can't control the fonts that choke your font menus?


Clearly TextEdit is incapable of handling the gigabytes of fonts that Apple chokes our systems with.


This is crap. Plain and simple. Crap.

Apr 12, 2021 8:17 AM in response to aaronlin

Hi arronlin, thanks for the info - I believe I was able to manually remove any system fonts in all previous versions - just Big Sur is now the Big Kludge.


Scroll down your font menus to the font Noto...




I may have missed 1 or a dozen or when copying and pasting this together - but the point is VERY VERY VERY clear.


This is JUST ONE FONT. There are literally hundreds of families I DON'T WANT. This is insane beyond all comprehension.


What we need is one or more of the following:


  • Apple allows us to manage ALL fonts except the vital SYSTEM FONTS like keyboard, Lucida, whatever I don't care - but by using FontBook to do so - I TOTALLY get that we should not be manually dragging System fonts out [I never truly liked doing that anyways but was forced to do so to keep my font menus under control]
  • Apple ONLY shows these in fonts in THEIR APPS. So, quite frankly if I have to give up TextEdit and use a more professional doc editor for simple things like job notes and job timesheets, I will do so, I will avoid TextEdit altogether given its unreliability as noted above - it cannot even handle an Apple font - a FRESHLY INSTALLED APPLE FONT - so it is too unstable for the real world
  • Apple allows ALL OTHER app developers to turn off all of their fonts in their menus - i.e. I open any Adobe app and I can go to the font menu and I can say "Hide System Fonts" and voila - no Apple fonts show up. I realize this won't happen because - well... Apple. If they aren't going to play nicely with fonts by choking us with them, they certainly aren't going to allow app vendors to conceal them
  • or, Apple builds two completely separate OSs - bear with me here... let's call them Big Sur A and Big Sur B - Big Sur A and the user cannot even Admin their own computer - they have to go into Apple to do anything at the System level - including installing apps, adding user accounts, deactivating fonts. And Big Sur B SuperUser - for professionals who know how to tinker and want to tinker, and want to be able to hash/bin/slash/c prompt the **** out of their system just to do a simple thing like... deactivate fonts.


I'm tired. I have to get some work done today. I know I will lose an hour or so just from having to get through all of Apple's fonts. So I am not working in an ideal environment right now, hence my ire in these posts.


While I do appreciate the input - it's all rather futile, including my posts, if we simply cannot use our Systems to the extent we need to do so. If I do not use FaceTime, I can remove it from the doc. I believe I can also delete the app, I don't know, not that important, but I can at least manage my apps.


The emoji-loving Gen-X, or is it Gen-Y, Gen-Z now? with all of their cuddly little Apple apps who are blissfully unaware of just how many fonts they have to play with, have won.


And when Apple turns the desktop OS into one with their phone and iPad OS, it will be the end of real-world use of Macintoshes altogether. They will just be toys. And my grandkids will look to me and think, "Ya, he used to do 'typed out pages' or something, now he just babbles on about how wonderful fonts were, prior to 2020. That was the year they all almost died or something. Wanna play Gizmoddo again for the fifblibberty-doo-dah time today?"


I need a hug.


Thanks.

Apr 9, 2021 1:21 PM in response to Old Toad

Thanks Old Toad... will see if this works. Have gone through the Safe Mode.


Not having a particularly good week with the Apple OS.


Sign-in still thinks I am in Cornerbrook, NF, when I'm in Toronto - which was confirmed when I rebuilt my MacBookPro last Sunday yet still persists. Date/Time clearly set to Toronto. Went through a whole "Trust this Mac" then "Trust this browser" just overly-complicating everything in general.


Quite frankly too busy trying to get work done to play with all of the idiocyncracies Apple is throwing in the road in front of me. Just going to drive over them and be done with it for a while.

Apr 11, 2021 1:35 PM in response to AndrewC1264

Nope.


It was fine for maybe 24 hours tops.


Now, right back to being the craptastically unstable piece of garbage it is.


Can anyone help with TextEdit?


I simple need to be able to copy and paste content in a rich text format page with it crashing every 30 seconds.


Has been this unstable for the past 6-9 months of Apple's recent OS releases = less than satisfactory.


Thanks.

Apr 11, 2021 2:56 PM in response to AndrewC1264

OK, here it is...


To confirm a few things:

  • new install of OS Big Sur from thumb drive last weekend [which is why an SMC reset should not have been needed, but it was]
  • have installed Adobe Creative Suite, MS Office, FileMaker, Chrome and Drop Box
  • EtreCheck "error" - not currently using TimeMachine - what's the point of backing up such an unstable system?
  • TextEdit crashes when deleting multiple lines of copy - it is a rich text format using Apple's own Monaco font


Thanks.



Apr 11, 2021 3:04 PM in response to AndrewC1264

AndrewC1264 wrote:

• EtreCheck "error" - not currently using TimeMachine - what's the point of backing up such an unstable system?

Because you can restore your data files without having to restore the system files. If you don't have a backup and the boot drive crashes you've lost everything.


Also, you can setup Time Machine to not backup the system, only your data files.

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