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Compilation Grouping Issue - Album Artist and Artist

Hi,


I have noticed an issue whereby iTunes will not group an Album in the Compilations section if (i) an Album Artist is included for the Album and (ii) any of the individual tracks on that Album are also by the same Artist as the Album Artist.


For example, I have DJ Tiesto's mix album 'In Search of Sunrise 2' tagged with the Compilation box ticked and with 'DJ Tiesto' as the Album Artist. The Album shows up in the Compilations section.


In contrast, DJ Tiesto's mix album 'In Search of Sunrise 3' is tagged exactly the same way, but does not show up in the Compilations section. The only difference is that this album happens to include one track for which the Artist is also listed as DJ Tiesto.


There therefore appears to be some issue with iTunes recognising the Album as a Compilation if there is any common data between Album Artist and Artist.


Has anyone come across this before and is there any way I can fix it?


Using iTunes Version 12.10.11.2 on Windows 7.


Thanks

Windows, Windows 6

Posted on Jul 27, 2021 7:02 AM

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Posted on Jul 27, 2021 10:41 AM

There are two scenarios to consider:

    1. an album by one artist, but with guest artists on some tracks
    2. various artist albums (compilations)


Regarding the two examples I suggest here, the different types need to be handled in exactly the way iTunes wants, or it will cause you problems. I'll explain each one below.


Example 1, an album by one artist, but with guest artists on some tracks:

Let's say the a four track album by Band X (for example) has two tracks that each feature a different guest artist. The correct way to tag them is to tag the artist field for each track with the artist and guest artist, as follows:

      1. Band X
      2. Band X feat. Guest Y
      3. Band X
      4. Band X feat. Guest Z
    • In order to keep the album together as one album, you need to add the text Band X into the album artist field and leave the compilation flag off (not ticked, or checked) on every track. (You can add the album artist to every track in one go by selecting all of them and clicking on Edit/Get Info. If you do not add Band X to the album artist field, the album will be split into three separate albums, because iTunes sees three separate artists.


Example 2, a various artists compilation album:

In this scenario, let's consider a four track album on which each track is by a different artist. The correct way to tag this album is to tag the artist field with the artist:

      1. Band X
      2. Band B
      3. Band R
      4. Band T
    • In order to keep this type of album together you must have the text Various Artists in the album artist field - and you must also have the compilation flag set "on" (a tick in the box) for every song on the album.


  • So, if you label an album with different artists on each track (a compilation album) with anything other than Various Artists in the album artist field, Tunes will not sort it correctly
  • A single artist album can have a blank album artist field. It will not cause issues
  • An album of greatest hits, by one artist (which is therefore a compilation of their best songs) is not a compilation album. If you turn on the compilation flag on this type of album, iTunes will not sort it correctly


I assume that by now you're saying to yourself, "but I want to keep my DJ Tiesto material together". The good news is that you can, by grouping them. Here's how:

  1. Add the text DJ Tiesto into the grouping field on each track
  2. In the Songs View of your Library, use the top bar menu to View/Column Browser>Show Column Browser (CTRL+shift+B)
  3. Also click on View/Column Browser/Groupings (to turn on the groupings option)

You will have a view like the one shown below:



Notice my arrow, between Disco, Acid Jazz and easy listening. It just happens that I have some DJ Tiesto material. I used the search to find them all and then edited them to add DJ Tiesto to the grouping field. Now watch:



By selecting the Grouping DJ Tiesto, I can then see the sub-set of artists and albums and the individual tracks as shown above. But - I hear you say... I don't want that Editors remix track of Papillon to be in this group, even though it's a Tiesto remix. Easy (as pie): edit the Editors track to remove the text DJ Tiesto from the grouping field. That track will no longer be listed under that grouping.

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Jul 27, 2021 10:41 AM in response to Blind_Guardian

There are two scenarios to consider:

    1. an album by one artist, but with guest artists on some tracks
    2. various artist albums (compilations)


Regarding the two examples I suggest here, the different types need to be handled in exactly the way iTunes wants, or it will cause you problems. I'll explain each one below.


Example 1, an album by one artist, but with guest artists on some tracks:

Let's say the a four track album by Band X (for example) has two tracks that each feature a different guest artist. The correct way to tag them is to tag the artist field for each track with the artist and guest artist, as follows:

      1. Band X
      2. Band X feat. Guest Y
      3. Band X
      4. Band X feat. Guest Z
    • In order to keep the album together as one album, you need to add the text Band X into the album artist field and leave the compilation flag off (not ticked, or checked) on every track. (You can add the album artist to every track in one go by selecting all of them and clicking on Edit/Get Info. If you do not add Band X to the album artist field, the album will be split into three separate albums, because iTunes sees three separate artists.


Example 2, a various artists compilation album:

In this scenario, let's consider a four track album on which each track is by a different artist. The correct way to tag this album is to tag the artist field with the artist:

      1. Band X
      2. Band B
      3. Band R
      4. Band T
    • In order to keep this type of album together you must have the text Various Artists in the album artist field - and you must also have the compilation flag set "on" (a tick in the box) for every song on the album.


  • So, if you label an album with different artists on each track (a compilation album) with anything other than Various Artists in the album artist field, Tunes will not sort it correctly
  • A single artist album can have a blank album artist field. It will not cause issues
  • An album of greatest hits, by one artist (which is therefore a compilation of their best songs) is not a compilation album. If you turn on the compilation flag on this type of album, iTunes will not sort it correctly


I assume that by now you're saying to yourself, "but I want to keep my DJ Tiesto material together". The good news is that you can, by grouping them. Here's how:

  1. Add the text DJ Tiesto into the grouping field on each track
  2. In the Songs View of your Library, use the top bar menu to View/Column Browser>Show Column Browser (CTRL+shift+B)
  3. Also click on View/Column Browser/Groupings (to turn on the groupings option)

You will have a view like the one shown below:



Notice my arrow, between Disco, Acid Jazz and easy listening. It just happens that I have some DJ Tiesto material. I used the search to find them all and then edited them to add DJ Tiesto to the grouping field. Now watch:



By selecting the Grouping DJ Tiesto, I can then see the sub-set of artists and albums and the individual tracks as shown above. But - I hear you say... I don't want that Editors remix track of Papillon to be in this group, even though it's a Tiesto remix. Easy (as pie): edit the Editors track to remove the text DJ Tiesto from the grouping field. That track will no longer be listed under that grouping.

Jul 28, 2021 11:34 AM in response to Blind_Guardian

Blind_Guardian wrote:

This is why I don't really understand why iTunes doesn't seem to allow this only in the very discrete circumstances where there are any tracks on the Album labelled with the same Artist as the Album Artist, but not in any other circumstances.


You have to remember that the concept of iTunes was developed before the introduction of DJ mixes by a man who almost certainly used his own preferences in its design. Since then, although iTunes has evolved, it's a enormous task to satisfy everyone.


You should see the discussions here from classical music enthusiasts, they raged about iTunes' inadequacies for a long time. In the end, iTunes did introduce Work & Movement, which goes a long way towards satisfying them. Perhaps there just aren't enough DJ mix enthusiasts to make it worth Apple's effort in adding the feature you want.


You can always submit feedback to Apple, suggesting the feature you want. Go to Feedback - iTunes - Apple but take note that Apple do not acknowledge submissions or reply to you and of course, it's their decision whether to implement your suggestion.

Jul 28, 2021 10:43 AM in response to the fiend

Hi,


Thanks so much for the comprehensive reply, very helpful.


Strangely enough, this issue doesn't arise on the Music App on my iPhone, which does list the albums in question both under Compilations and under DJ Tiesto as Album Artist. To me this is the most logical way of grouping this type of album, because it is a compilation of tracks by various artists, but could also equally be described as an album "by" DJ Tiesto, because it's a DJ mix and he is the DJ. So I can understand your advice above in relation to the Grouping tag, but it does seem like it would be more straightforward to be able to just tag them in the manner I'm trying to.


When you say:


"So, if you label an album with different artists on each track (a compilation album) with anything other than Various Artists in the album artist field, Tunes will not sort it correctly"


This actually isn't the case for me, as labeling a Compilation with a specific Album Artist works fine for any Compilation album that doesn't have any tracks that are also by the same Artist as the Album Artist (like the example of how Tiesto's 'In Search of Sunrise 2' differs from 'In Search of Sunrise 3'), and it also works fine for me on all Compilations on my iPhone. This is why I don't really understand why iTunes doesn't seem to allow this only in the very discrete circumstances where there are any tracks on the Album labelled with the same Artist as the Album Artist, but not in any other circumstances.


Anyway, maybe there's just no way around that for now!

Compilation Grouping Issue - Album Artist and Artist

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