Virtualbox Mac m1

Actually, no, they generally don't, they use their MBPs as tools to connect to other machines where they run their code, usually a physical Linux machine or cloud instance of some kind.

If you need to run code locally, you use Xcode, there's no reason to use anything else as Xcode is the Apple development environment for iOS/macOS.

I don't work at Apple - no one here not specifically noted as an Apple employee does - but many companies allow their developers to choose their hardware, and the vast majority I work with choose a MacBook Pro of some flavor or an iMac, and the processor it is running makes absolutely zero difference to them.

I’ve worked with teams that work the way your teams do. That’s not our preference, it’s quite expensive.

We run Kubernetes clusters for our server systems and do all dev locally, using tools such as docker, vm’s if necessary.

Buying a nice and fast MacBook Pro with >= 32GB of memory allows us to accomplish everything we need.

Maybe non startups can afford to follow your approach but sadly I love mbp’s for dev and will buy a refurbished x86.

I don’t like windows and really don’t want to use Linux, MacOS is great.

BobHarris wrote:

While ARM is a darling in hand held devices because of its low power, high performance curve, and data centers that want to cut power can cooling costs, as well as the current line of Macs, chances are in a number of years, something new will come out (quantum computers) that causes yet another shift in architecture.

This may be inevitable and may result in Rosetta v3, but I also suspect now that Apple is in charge of their own silicon destiny that may be less likely in the future.

A lot depends on what their chip architecture folks are able to implement in future M series processors and if some other architecture jumps ahead by leaps and bounds.

Dogcow-Moof wrote:

BobHarris wrote:

While ARM is a darling in hand held devices because of its low power, high performance curve, and data centers that want to cut power can cooling costs, as well as the current line of Macs, chances are in a number of years, something new will come out (quantum computers) that causes yet another shift in architecture.

This may be inevitable and may result in Rosetta v3, but I also suspect now that Apple is in charge of their own silicon destiny that may be less likely in the future.

A lot depends on what their chip architecture folks are able to implement in future M series processors and if some other architecture jumps ahead by leaps and bounds.

Your right that controlling what gets put on the chip will give them more flexibility, but Apple has never been afraid to jump to a new architecture when the new chip was superior. They have a history and a culture that makes it easier for them to make such a jump.

Then again 3 trillion dollar valuation and the high profit margins Apple commands, will let them invest in chip development. Also writing the operating system that uses the chip, means very tight integration, which also helps a lot.

Abhi1640 wrote:

I spent lot of money on macbook air m1 chip but there is no use. It has been 1 year over still there is no solution. It is better to go with windows laptop rather spending too much on apple product like this. I am planning to sell my macbook and will get the window laptop.

Good idea. Get the computer that meets your needs. Same applies to any purchase. This is why I drive a pickup truck rather than a Smart Car.

Abhi1640 wrote:

I spent lot of money on macbook air m1 chip but there is no use. It has been 1 year over still there is no solution. It is better to go with windows laptop rather spending too much on apple product like this. I am planning to sell my macbook and will get the window laptop.

By all means, sell the Mac to somebody that can use it, and buy what hardware meets your requirements.

dangoulet1 wrote:

The real issue is that Apple acts like they’re still selling pickups and you just trust them on their word. When you receive this new $6000 laptop it’s actually a smart car in a pickups clothing.

LOL. I like it.

I guess one should always check a product before purchase to ensure it meets one's needs.

So true. Unfortunately most people don’t realize the implications until it’s too late.

Apple has been selling MacBook Pro’s for a long time now and created a product that I believed beat the competition by a landslide.

I almost bought a maxed out one for like $6000. After doing more research I decided not to buy one. My current 3 year old MacBook Pro with 32GB memory can do everything I need and have been doing for years. I’ll probably buy a refurbished mbp 16 with 32GB of memory.

The newest one I almost purchased would not be capable.

This is very misleading and so many people have struggled and Apple does not post any disclaimers or anything.

dangoulet1 wrote:

This is very misleading and so many people have struggled and Apple does not post any disclaimers or anything.

Sorry but I don't know why you would say anything is misleading. The specifications of each Mac is clearly included in Apple's site. There is no need for a "disclaimer" as far as I know.

dangoulet1 wrote:

Apple has been selling MacBook Pro’s for a long time now and created a product that I believed beat the competition by a landslide.

It does, massively. Look at the specs for video editing and image editing all while generating far less heat and using less power.

You need a maxed out Mac Pro tower to beat a MacBook Pro on Final Cut benchmarks. That's ridiculous.

Win-win all around.

I can hardly wait for an Apple Silicon Mac Pro to finally replace my old Mac Pro 5,1.

I almost bought a maxed out one for like $6000. After doing more research I decided not to buy one. My current 3 year old MacBook Pro with 32GB memory can do everything I need and have been doing for years. I’ll probably buy a refurbished mbp 16 with 32GB of memory.

If that's the case, you never should have been shopping for a replacement in the first place; why replace what works for you if you don't need to?

I upgraded to an M1 Max MBP because I wanted the increased speed and capabilities.

The newest one I almost purchased would not be capable.

For your extremely narrow defintion of "capable."

This is very misleading and so many people have struggled and Apple does not post any disclaimers or anything.

A very strange definition of "misleading."

Because you depend upon an application that was never promised to do what you do?

Because you wanted a capability that was never promised, implied or even hinted at?

I don't see where anything could even remotely be considered "misleading," but I do see where your assumptions may have been wrong.

• For many developers, it's an amazing machine.
• For those who do video editing, it's an amazing machine.
• For those who do photo editing, it's an amazing machine.
• For those who do office tasks, it's an amazing machine.

I traded in my 2.4 GHz i9 16" MBP for a 16" M1 Max MBP and don't regret doing so for a millisecond (and as a plus, am thrilled to be rid of the Touch Bar.)

This is absolutely misleading since mac book mostly used by developers require to be installed minimum software like docker using virtual box. Even now a days DevOps are in peak where these softwares are mandatory to have. Apple should have mentioned that with categories like what not compatible for developers and what not for UX designers etc.

So because your particular third party software doesn't do what you want it to and what its manufacturer never said it would do, it's misleading on Apple's part.

Sorry, no.

If you don't like that, don't purchase future Macs, they no longer suit your needs.

While I use VirtualBox on my x86 Mac to spin up the odd Windows instance, somehow neither I nor any of the developers I work with "need" the software you describe as "mandatory" to do our jobs.

For what it's worth, Docker states:

Docker Desktop for Apple silicon also supports multi-platform images, which allows you to build and run images for both x86 and ARM architectures without having to set up a complex cross-compilation development environment. Additionally, you can use docker buildx to seamlessly integrate multi-platform builds into your build pipeline, and use Docker Hub to identify and share repositories that provide multi-platform images.

https://docs.docker.com/desktop/mac/apple-silicon/

If something changes that significantly then yes, it should have a disclaimer.

If for the last 10+ years you could do these tasks with it and now suddenly you can’t, there should be something to describe that.

Apple makes Rosetta 2 sound like it’s way more capable than it truly is.

This is misleading, yes, they place all of the specs on their website, and boast about Rosetta 2 being more capable than it is.

I posted a link to an article Apple posted in December, 2020 detailing what Rosetta 2 would and wouldn't do.

Since you didn't buy one, you've lost nothing but you will have to find another hardware vendor going forward just as PowerPC fans once did.

Meanwhile most Mac users and yes, developers will love their wildly capable Apple Silicon MBPs.

I would rather ask a very simple question to Apple, the virtual box was supporting with Intel process till M1 was not launched, would they bother to inform the user it won’t support in M1? As I am a big fan of Apple products I just blindly bought the M1 macbook thinking that will support as usual. This is not good.