GarageBand ios dropping midi notes - ie recording triads into MIDI become two-note chords.

While happily recording using some new patches on my iOS/iPadOS synth the other day, I noticed the quite ordinary three-note triad (well it would be, innit) I was using, and it sounded fine, on replaying in GarageBand the MIDI block/track missed out one of the notes for a sprinkling of the triads.


I have an iPad Pro 2, circa 2017 I think that is, on the latest 14.8.1, but it also happened on ipadOS 14.8. However, I don’t remember ever seeing this, previously, and I have used triads before in GB without any issues.


It’s a 12.9 inch ipad. 50Gb free on the SSD out of 512Gb. It would be 100Gb if the dreaded ‘blue band’ would kindly shrink (iCloud is its own master - even Apple support can’t make it behave differently).


On close inspection using the ‘zoom-in’ that the ‘edit’ function gives us, oddly, ALL THREE notes (ie MIDI lines) are present and correct. As GB does not know in advance which notes I will play (that’s in the next ‘AI’ version haha), this proves that my MIDI controller, an irig 37 keys keyboard, is getting its notes to register inside GB.


So, cables, wires etc (only 18 inches long or so and no mains runs near) I will count as out.


This ‘missing note’ phenomenon, also occurs intermittently, just in the same way, when using the on-screen keyboard. So, that too, rules out hardware issues.


In both cases - on-screen keyboard or external MIDI controller - the situation created is the exact same. A proportion of the MIDI recorded, has ALL the three notes of triads there, but ONLY EMITS sound from 2 out of 3 of them, as the ‘trigger line’ or cursor rolls over them in the track when ‘play’ is pressed.


Then, there’s the instances where I definitely played the full three notes of the triad, and yet only TWO got recorded as a MIDI line.


In other words, I can play a triad repeatedly, about a dozen times, and looking at the MIDI just on-screen, in normal song play screen, there are some obviously missing the full 3 notes. And when you play them, you hear that ‘thin’ sound.


But, when you examine the block closely using ‘edit’ only some of the MIDI parts are MISSING one of the notes. You play this in ‘edit’ mode, and you hear that ‘thin’ sound. Then, there’s triads you know you played fully and indeed, ALL THREE notes are present in the ‘edit’ view, but STILL one note is not sounding. ( I was deliberately jamming hard on the keys of the irig 37, it makes no odds).


I used three extremely well-regarded synths: Moog; dropped to Zeeon on finding the ‘Moog problem’ doing a complicated polyphonic arpeggiation; then finally dropped to SynthMaster One from KV331 on finding the ‘Zeeon problem’!


I notified all three eventually of the issue, as a feedback to these really good developers, and then it was suggested that as the common thread was Apple’s baby DAW, why not try another DAW?


Having the test now down to a fine art, I play 3 keys, then let each one off a bar or so between, I decided to do exactly that.


I tested all three synths, going down an octave of triads, in Cubasis 3 (sssss! Booo!) and found sadly (I mean that) there was no issue at all. Rock solid, recorded three MIDI notes, play three MIDI notes back, every single time.


Then I did a whole song in Cub3 just to make sure, and actually because without triads my song wouldn’t amount to much, or polyphonic arps either, and the MIDI blocks recorded perfectly. Not Happy!


I love GarageBand on iOS. I find it the absolute best, with a very, very few caveats, glaring though they may be. I think there is not any other DAW, that can be better, for putting down the initial ideas - I just carry on in GB iOS/iPadOS though, right through to Mastering, then onto Aggregation with 16-bit output to suit CD Baby.


So, any ideas? Or am I off to Apple Support?! Help welcome, and here’s anything else I checked out…


All accessibility stuff off, no multi-touch will come into the matter. Cables etc as already stated, are checked I would say by the process outlined above - MIDI is getting into the GB software. It’s the latest GB as of Summer of 2021. iOS/iPadOS 14.8.1 and there are NO bluetooth devices attached. There is a large busker amp nearby but I only go through a 3.5mm jack and shielded cable for that, but it makes no odds if it is plugged in or not. In fact, I have the busker amp miles away right now through several walls.


Thanks for any ideas, keep well and stay safe everyone.


Ian R Margetts/richard getts

iPad Pro, iPadOS 14

Posted on Oct 31, 2021 1:18 PM

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Posted on Nov 10, 2021 3:25 AM

Ok, thanks if anyone spent brain time on this, but I did get some suggestions elsewhere. At the risk of this being me giving myself a monologue, here’s what I figured out about this problem:

Short version - the ‘missing midi’ or dropped notes of GarageBand replaying a MIDI track wrongly, although it sounded fine when inputting (ie playing a keyboard into the GB track recorder), is a dirty lightning connector. This sounds incredibly stupid, but it was hard to track down.


At the same time as having these MIDI issues, I was trying to back up some songs to SD cards, and this involved some mucking about with powered USB hubs and pukka Apple USB to lightning adapters (the ‘camera adapter’) etc. What resulted, was that I plugged in an alternative much larger keyboard (midi controller) which required an external USB or power supply.


What I have decided makes sens, the only logical conclusion, is that the higher-powered setup, plus unplugging and re-plugging, meant the MIDI signal got more clear. The 1’s were 1’s and the zeroes were zeroes, I assume. It’s 5 Volts it works on I believe, so from my electronics long ago, above 3.5 Volts counts as one state, and probably below 1.5 Volts counts as the other. Anyway, the problem went away with both keyboards - but of course I had begun to plug in even the little irig keyboard, with the powered USB in-between the keyboard and the ipad.


I was amazed the issue seemed gone, and went back to check a video I made - no, it definitely happened.


It was a ‘borderline’ MIDI transmission issue then. all cables were short and seem shielded to me, thick things as they are. Proper Apple adapters.


Bringing us to the other issue, which being noticed at the same time, was unfortunate - the ‘wonky’ arpeggiation of the Model 15 from Moog, software Audio Unit synth. It’s a great synth. But now I have certainty that the Apple baby DAW ‘dropped MIDI notes’ thing was the borderline connectivity issue, and it is fixed, I realise with my other arping synths being fine, it’s actually a Moog characteristic.


It may transpire it’s not termed a ‘fault’. But, the fact is, the Moog Model 15 on both my other DAW, and GB iOS, plays sounding one way when you use two handed arpeggio operation, but the replay of that from the midi track, sounds entirely different.


SUMMARY

The powered USB hub, blew the cobwebs away, and then I cleaned the lightning connectors having figured out what was wrong with the missing midi notes on playback - the note being dropped from my triad. What confounded this incidentally, is that GB has the habit of NOT putting up all three notes for ALL the chords I played, as the MIDI recording happens, but does for MOST of them! So, there is a ‘missing midi note’ visually even if everything works, until you go into ‘edit’ an individual midi block. Then, all the midi notes are clearly visible! That was an unhelpful characteristic.


The Moog, I will press on with, with Moog, it’s not life or death, any of this, but it’s time, all the same, spent on tech stuff, not music stuff!


Thanks anyway, it may help someone else.


Pic of my setup now - it’s grown a bit, and the USB hub means I can have my qwerty keyboard always there, at the same time as my music keyboard(s). Excuse the mess of cables, memory chips etc behind, and the block of wood pushing the ipad up and forward onto the large Novation keyboard - I couldn’t see the screen. This was and won’t be a problem if I use the little irig again on it’s own! Don’t be too impressed - up until this week, it was just the ipad with the tiny irig keys 37 directly plugged in via Apple’s ‘camera’ USB/lightning adaptor.


Fact is, it’s much more comfortable to play than full-size keys, which always were a design giving mechanical advantage to drop a hammer on piano wires. Now that doesn’t happen inside our keyboards, full-size is only needed if you need to stay in shape for that kind of instrument. I don’t expect to be playing a Lounge baby grand in a five star hotel, anytime soon!


PS if you see the screen, my background is Chesil Bank/Chesil Beach, the roadway to Portland Bill on the south coast of England. I just took a closeup pic of a square metre or so of pebbles I flattened out.


Take care, keep safe and well.


irm/rg

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Nov 10, 2021 3:25 AM in response to sleekitwan

Ok, thanks if anyone spent brain time on this, but I did get some suggestions elsewhere. At the risk of this being me giving myself a monologue, here’s what I figured out about this problem:

Short version - the ‘missing midi’ or dropped notes of GarageBand replaying a MIDI track wrongly, although it sounded fine when inputting (ie playing a keyboard into the GB track recorder), is a dirty lightning connector. This sounds incredibly stupid, but it was hard to track down.


At the same time as having these MIDI issues, I was trying to back up some songs to SD cards, and this involved some mucking about with powered USB hubs and pukka Apple USB to lightning adapters (the ‘camera adapter’) etc. What resulted, was that I plugged in an alternative much larger keyboard (midi controller) which required an external USB or power supply.


What I have decided makes sens, the only logical conclusion, is that the higher-powered setup, plus unplugging and re-plugging, meant the MIDI signal got more clear. The 1’s were 1’s and the zeroes were zeroes, I assume. It’s 5 Volts it works on I believe, so from my electronics long ago, above 3.5 Volts counts as one state, and probably below 1.5 Volts counts as the other. Anyway, the problem went away with both keyboards - but of course I had begun to plug in even the little irig keyboard, with the powered USB in-between the keyboard and the ipad.


I was amazed the issue seemed gone, and went back to check a video I made - no, it definitely happened.


It was a ‘borderline’ MIDI transmission issue then. all cables were short and seem shielded to me, thick things as they are. Proper Apple adapters.


Bringing us to the other issue, which being noticed at the same time, was unfortunate - the ‘wonky’ arpeggiation of the Model 15 from Moog, software Audio Unit synth. It’s a great synth. But now I have certainty that the Apple baby DAW ‘dropped MIDI notes’ thing was the borderline connectivity issue, and it is fixed, I realise with my other arping synths being fine, it’s actually a Moog characteristic.


It may transpire it’s not termed a ‘fault’. But, the fact is, the Moog Model 15 on both my other DAW, and GB iOS, plays sounding one way when you use two handed arpeggio operation, but the replay of that from the midi track, sounds entirely different.


SUMMARY

The powered USB hub, blew the cobwebs away, and then I cleaned the lightning connectors having figured out what was wrong with the missing midi notes on playback - the note being dropped from my triad. What confounded this incidentally, is that GB has the habit of NOT putting up all three notes for ALL the chords I played, as the MIDI recording happens, but does for MOST of them! So, there is a ‘missing midi note’ visually even if everything works, until you go into ‘edit’ an individual midi block. Then, all the midi notes are clearly visible! That was an unhelpful characteristic.


The Moog, I will press on with, with Moog, it’s not life or death, any of this, but it’s time, all the same, spent on tech stuff, not music stuff!


Thanks anyway, it may help someone else.


Pic of my setup now - it’s grown a bit, and the USB hub means I can have my qwerty keyboard always there, at the same time as my music keyboard(s). Excuse the mess of cables, memory chips etc behind, and the block of wood pushing the ipad up and forward onto the large Novation keyboard - I couldn’t see the screen. This was and won’t be a problem if I use the little irig again on it’s own! Don’t be too impressed - up until this week, it was just the ipad with the tiny irig keys 37 directly plugged in via Apple’s ‘camera’ USB/lightning adaptor.


Fact is, it’s much more comfortable to play than full-size keys, which always were a design giving mechanical advantage to drop a hammer on piano wires. Now that doesn’t happen inside our keyboards, full-size is only needed if you need to stay in shape for that kind of instrument. I don’t expect to be playing a Lounge baby grand in a five star hotel, anytime soon!


PS if you see the screen, my background is Chesil Bank/Chesil Beach, the roadway to Portland Bill on the south coast of England. I just took a closeup pic of a square metre or so of pebbles I flattened out.


Take care, keep safe and well.


irm/rg

Oct 31, 2021 6:45 PM in response to sleekitwan

Just to add one more thing, or two…First, I did another identical test just now on Garageband, using the internal ‘deep drive piano’ electric piano instrument. The same missing midi notes issue happened! I was surprised, thought it most likely be an Audio Unit issue - it’s not.


Second other thing…’stuck notes’ also occasionally happens, but I can’t prove it’s connected to the main issue of missing midi notes in midi track recordings, plus that does happen occasionally in Cub3 as well, so it’s not a GB issue, although I have NEVER had it happen with Apple’s internal instruments, so that issue, is pretty definitely an AU quirk I think - but this is not important, nothing to do with the issue of concern, forget I mentioned it.


The only reason I mention it, is it does happen when you have quite a few instruments on a GB song. As it occurred to me that 12 tracks might be called ‘busy’ I deleted 5 of them, and with a drummer track and 7 tracks (3 of them GB internal instruments) left, the self-same issue of missing midi notes afflicted the GB electric piano I mentioned. Incidentally there were only a few bars of midi on each track, it being a ‘test song’ for this problem.


Keep well all.

irm/rg

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