Hi
Am the only one getting random CPU spikes, random midi notes hanging, random crackles turning into feedback, and random crashes on the latest Logic Pro with M1 in native mode ?
I only use native M1 plugins, yet it all feels really buggy, something i've never experienced before on any machine.
Thanks
MacBook Pro 16″, macOS 12.0
To anyone who cares, I've been going back and forth non stop with these m1 issues. I have been able to either fully solve my pops / clicks / logic restarting playback due to cpu overload of a single core issue, or at the very least reduce them extremely. Here are the steps I took to investigate this and what I've come to understand.
I purchased an m1 MacBook Air, and I migrated my entire system from the Mac Studio onto it.
I then purchased a Razor thunderbolt dock -- that way I could easily connect every peripheral device, including my audio interface, which is a UA Apollo X6 - thunderbolt 3 version, to both setups, by simply plugging the single dock connector cable into either system, bringing them into theoretically the same environment, just on two different machines.
I then ran sessions in which I was having intermittent audio issues as described above, on both machines. I was trying anything I could to cause the machine to pop / click or restart playback -- often times this would happen if I was typing, using a browser or copy / pasting / editing within the DAW during playback.
I was able to make these issues happen on both systems. So, from there I began narrowing down the devices. I tested on both systems with my USB hub disconnected - it still happened. I tried it on both systems with the monitor I was using disconnected - it still happened. I tried it with no midi controllers or external hard drives connected - it still happened.
I then disconnected my Universal Audio Apollo X6 - connected via thunderbolt 3 cable, and I attempted to run just the session listening from the headphone jack of my laptop, after about 25 minutes of testing I could not reproduce the issue.
I then tried the same test with the Mac Studio, again, into the headphone output, and no UA device, tested it for a good 25-30 minutes, no issues.
I then re-connected the UA to both systems and within the first playback on both systems, I was able to re-create the issues.
I then tried an alternate thunderbolt 3 cable, the issues happened again.
I then updated the laptop to Ventura - as the Studio is my work machine and I cannot risk it not running older sessions.
Ventura on the m1 air made no such difference as far as the audio issues were going. They happened with the UA, and did not happen when it was disconnected.
I then went to Guitar Center, purchased a cheap Focusrite 2i2 3rd gen, USB C device. Ran my monitors into it and I've been playing the problem sessions with it and have yet to hear any audio issues. Across both systems. I've even had it on play during the entire time I was typing this and still haven't had the issue happen.
I've called apple support and filed a ticket with UA. Apple told me that it is on UA and not them to fix the issue, as when doing playback with the built in audio output, there are no issues.
Sorry to hear this, nightmare.
a friend of mine has the Mac Studio M1Max, with Logic, all running smoothly! Apart from a constant whistling sound from the Mac Studio.
Did you try a different DAW?
I would be more likely to blame the software as these types of problems are not being reported with the M1 Mac's.
I've used Logic for 10 years, I really don't want to have to ditch it and move to Ableton or Bitwig or some other DAW. So frustrating!
Yes me ..spent over 3 k and i'ts so buggy breaking my flow when using logic ...Always plug in problems and now it wont load logic .....its stuck on load ....,frustrating man
Hi there. I'm having lots of problems with Logic. Do you sill have a link to an older version? Thanks!
I have all these side effects and I'm on Intel MB Pro. I cannot even record one (1) audio track. No effects, nothing else running, using 256 buffer.
I’m going nowhere near Ventura. I can’t believe they didn’t do a Logic update in the recent slew of updates. Shambles
I don't think its M1 related, I am on Logic with an M1 Mac Mini with zero problems.
and I will be staying on Monterey until I am forced to update, maybe 5 years.
That makes sense but most folks are saying it’s with the M1 Max or ultra - not the original M1 chip that launched with the mini and air. At least that’s how I’ve perceived this discussion.
TBH it was because of this thread I became paranoid and cancelled my Macbook Pro M1 Max, and went with the Mac Mini, which is amazing.
Yeah it’s been terrible I just opened up an old mixing session from my i9 then ran effortlessly and the studio keeps getting a system overload error - all native plugins too…
Forgot to add, Logic is not a sub vendor. Apple develops Logic.
That is really interesting... Because theoretically my CPU should be at least twice as fast as your M1 chip, plus the extra thermal capacity of the 16" chassis.
Through my testing, I've found really obscure things cause all 8 Performance cores to spike. Such as one instance of Waves SSL (Which is M1 compatible) but the other 10 instances don't move the needle at all. I would be able to figure out some kind of work around if the cause wasn't so random feeling.
Also, the cpu will run at basically 100% for the whole session and but then will drop to 30% and start stuttering and throwing out artefacts like nobodies business. I hate it I hate it I hate it.
When I migrated from a MacBook Pro 2011 to my MacMini M1 - Logic was more or less useless, due to both Waves and iZotope didn't support the M1 processor. Only option was to use Rosetta2, and since then I've been doing quite ok, except when Apple got the Flex-tool all messed up in 10.7.1
There is some sort of variable going on; I and some others have the M1/Monterey working not perfectly but very workably. Here's my processors on a ballad I'm producing, nothing very heavy, 12 audio tracks, probably 8 MIDI tracks, Kontakt piano, Omnisphere, Logic trumpet (which kicks ***, btw):
The usual complement of reverbs. No Waves plug-ins yet, nor UAD, but those don't seem to bog things down. NOTE, as I've said before, that if a track is selected on the left that has Kontakt on it, I get a processor spiking to 100%, and crackles and pops. Buffer at 128, in fact here's my settings overall:
My interface is a MOTU Ultralite Mk 4; I still think that if people are having bad issues, try running through the computer's internal speakers and disable the input just to eliminate your interface as a source of the problems. Truthfully I hope the performance gets better as the plug-ins get updated, but I'm working fine here and having less processor issues than I was having on Bessie, my 2012 i7 MacBook Pro. And again, I never expected to be up and running even this much; I figured January or February before things got updated in the 3rd party world enough to be seriously working. Running in native mode, not Rosetta. Just trying to post something from someone who has this working in case somebody can get some use out of it!
Terrible performance on M1 Pro 16 inch Macbook Pro
